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For so many modern, driven women, life is about being more than one thing. We’re multidimensional—and so are our conversations. We carry multiple identities; we can be both mother and artist; both attorney and entrepreneur. Both clinician and CEO. Both humble and proud. Life for women like us is about both. About…all of the above. It’s about the “and”...
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Welcome to the Ex Good Girl Podcast! I’m Sara Bybee Fisk, the Stop People Pleasing Coach. If you feel exhausted from constant people pleasing and perfectionism, and you are ready to stop but you don’t know how, this podcast is for YOU! I will help you learn to stop making other people comfortable at your own expense. I can show you a roadmap you can use to train yourself to stop abandoning your own desires and let go of the fear of what others will think. If you are ready to stop pretending ...
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Episode 87 - Settle-Proof Your Dating and Relationships with Lily Womble
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Send us a text Do you feel trapped by the “rules” of modern dating? I’m thrilled to be joined by dating coach Lily Womble in today's episode to talk about how to break free from those dumb dating rules. I want each one of you to find the relationship you’re meant to be in, and that starts with making sure you never have to settle in your dating lif…
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Episode 86 - Bodily Autonomy with Dr. Stephanie Hack, the Lady Parts Doctor
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Send us a text So many of us women have not been properly educated about our bodies and how to know what is best for them. Today, I’m joined by Dr. Stephanie Hack to discuss how we can empower ourselves to advocate for what we want and need. Here's what we cover: Hygiene advice for women that reflects love and care for ourselves and rejects the sha…
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Episode 85 - Why Feminism Still Matters
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Send us a text On my recent trip to Bolivia, I had an interaction that reignited my thoughts on feminism. In this episode, I explore why feminism remains a vital lens for understanding our world and shaping our actions. Here's what I cover: How my journey with feminism started with negative perceptions because of my upbringing in the Mormon Church …
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Episode 84 - Belonging to Myself with Serena Hicks
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Send us a text Get ready for a deep and inspiring conversation with Serena Hicks, a trailblazing business coach who’s shaking up how we view success and belonging. In this episode, Serena and I explore finding self-acceptance and navigating life when you feel pulled between different worlds. Serena Hicks is a business coach driven by freedom—financ…
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Episode 83 - The Drama Triangle with Andrea Parks
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Send us a text Have you ever felt stuck in the same patterns in your relationships, unsure how to break free? In this episode, I sit down with Andrea Parks, a therapist who dives deep into the hidden dynamics that hold us back. Andrea shares how we can shift out of these roles and start truly healing and reclaiming our power. Tune in as we explore …
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Episode 82 - We are Smart Enough to Invest with Kara Gaisie
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Send us a text This week, I’m excited to dive into a conversation that challenges traditional norms around money and investing. My guest, Kara Gaisie, is here to help us break free from outdated beliefs that have kept women from fully stepping into their financial power. Kara Gaisie is a wife, mom, and master-certified financial coach who helps wom…
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Episode 81 - Stop Apologizing
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Send us a text What have you been apologizing for lately? I’ve realized I’ve been apologizing for everything, and in most cases, none of my actions have warranted an apology. Tune in this week to slow down and take a moment to examine the things you apologize for. Do they all actually warrant an apology, or has your “good-girl” programming been tak…
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Episode 80 - When the Internet Mob Comes for You with Sandy Connery and Jeni Barcelos
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Send us a text This week, my guests and I invite you to join a conversation we’ve been having over the last few years about women in business and the power of using, or not using, our voices in the face of cancel culture and online scrutiny. I’m thrilled to welcome Sandy Connery and Jeni Barcelos, friends, business owners, and co-founders of Marvel…
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Episode 79 - I Wanted Something Just for Me
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Send us a text I am so excited to share my story with you of how I and three of my travel companions and friends came to found Yapay Bolivia, a nonprofit organization dedicated to alleviating poverty through sustainable healthcare solutions. This isn’t your average story–it’s a tale of thrilling and sometimes frightening medical events, the kindnes…
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Episode 78 - Unconventional Choices: Alternative Relationship Structures with Ali Ryan and Laura Jurgens
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Send us a text This week, I continue my series on unconventional choices by exploring alternative relationship structures. I am incredibly thankful to my guests, Ali Ryan and Dr. Laura Jurgens, for sharing their insight on alternative relationship structures and their experience and advice on navigating them with love and respect. Ali Ryan is the C…
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Episode 77 - Unconventional Choices: Single Mom by Choice with Carla Moats and Paige Dempsey
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Send us a text Welcome to the second episode of my special series on Unconventional Choices. I am so grateful to my guests, Carla Moats and Paige Dempsey, for sharing their journeys to parenthood. In a society that often scrutinizes solo parents, Carla and Paige exemplify courage in making a choice that aligns with their values—the choice to become…
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Episode 76 - Unconventional Choices: Childfree By Choice with Amber Taylor, Pauline Yan, Melissa G Wirt, and Dr. Susie Castellanos Hansley
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Send us a text I’m thrilled to kick off my “Unconventional Choices” series with an incredible lineup of guests and fellow coaches—Amber Taylor, Pauline Yan, Melissa G. Wirt, and Dr. Susie Castellanos Hansley—all of whom have chosen to remain child-free. Together, we challenge societal norms and our “good-girl” programming as we discuss the pressure…
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Episode 75 - How To Drink Like a Woman Who Loves Herself with Colleen Kachmann
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Send us a text I am so grateful for my conversation with this week’s guest, Colleen Kachmann, where we tackle an important and often tricky topic: drinking. Tune in as we explore how drinking is tied to perfectionism and people pleasing and how, thanks to her own journey, Colleen is helping women rise above it. Colleen is a Certified Master Life & …
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Episode 74 - The Female Double Bind and How to Get OUT
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Send us a text With everything happening in our world right now, especially politically here in the United States, we need to talk about the female double blind–the impossible double standards to which women are held that create no-win situations for us. So many examples of this show up in our everyday lives and are perpetuated by the media, and it…
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Episode 73 - What I'm Working On At The Moment
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Send us a text This episode is all about honesty and vulnerability as I share what I’m currently working on in my life. While I’m a coach, I’m a person, too. As a person, I struggle with and navigate many challenges, especially those specifically related to womanhood. These experiences, part of my ongoing journey of growth and learning, make me a g…
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Episode 72 - Sneaky People Pleasing
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Send us a text Did you know that people pleasing can be subtle–even sneaky? People pleasing goes far beyond the stereotypical inability to say “no.” In this episode, I reveal the people pleasing tendencies that catch us off guard–things like excessive politeness, perfectionism, and difficulty setting boundaries. Because it can show up in so many di…
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Episode 71 - I'm Not Living The Beautiful Life I Could Be with Angie Wilson
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Send us a text I’m so grateful for my beautiful conversation with this week’s guest, Angie Wilson. Angie Wilson is a certified life coach specializing in helping women love their lives after divorce. With a master's degree in social work, Angie brings a rich background of experience to her coaching practice. She worked as a therapist and case manag…
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Episode 70 - "I am so F*cking Proud of Myself" - Conversations with Women Who Have Stopped People Pleasing
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Send us a text I am so grateful to have had the opportunity to sit down with Allyssya Gossett, Abby Wolfson, and Jayne Newman to dig into what it's like to be a woman programmed to people please—and what it's like to be a woman who stops. Allyssya is an educator and life coach who helps women step outside their comfort zone and into confidence so t…
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Episode 69 - Awareness, Capacity and Skills Part Two: Listen In On This Coaching Call
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Send us a text Welcome to part two of my series on how to make lasting, positive changes in your life. In part one, I shared my framework for change and three things you need to make it work: awareness, capacity, and skills. In this episode, I share a conversation I had during a coaching call with an amazing client. During this call, we discussed h…
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Episode 68 - The Three Things You Need to Make a Change: Awareness, Capacity and Skills Part One
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Send us a text Do you know what you need to make a change? I do. I can’t wait to share my framework for change with you. To make a lasting change, you need three things: awareness, capacity, and skills. In this episode, I share real-life strategies and examples of these three elements, and I invite you to join me on July 15 from 1-2 PM PST for a fr…
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Episode 67 - Expanding Your Capacity for Pleasure with Danielle Savory
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Send us a text I’m excited to welcome Danielle Savory back to the show this week. Danielle is a master-certified coach, podcast host, and expert in neuropsychology, mindfulness, sexual pleasure, and intimacy. When she last joined us in episode 25, “Sexual Power with Danielle Savory,” she left us with the wisdom that “a woman's ability to be present…
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Episode 66 - From Stuck to Secure
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Send us a text This week’s podcast is an invitation. An invitation to stop feeling “stuck.” An invitation to step into the security and self-connection you need to move forward. Most importantly, it is an invitation to join my masterclass and workshop series, From Stuck to Secure, designed specifically for individuals seeking to improve their relat…
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Episode 65 - The People Pleaser's Guide to Co-Parenting with Mikki Gardner
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Send us a text I really enjoyed my insightful and empowering conversation with this week’s guest, Mikki Gardner. Mikki is a mom to a teenage son, a Certified Life + Conscious Parenting Coach, the host of the Co-Parenting with Confidence podcast, and the bestselling author of the People Pleasers Guide to Co-Parenting Well. After navigating her own d…
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Send us a text Because everybody needs a break sometimes, the Ex-Good Girl podcast is on a four week break. We'll be back on June 5th with new episodes. Until then, listen to some of your old favorites, get caught up, or join my Stop People Pleasing Facebook group by finding the link in the show notes below. I can't wait to connect with you. Find S…
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Episode 64 - How I Created a Secure Relationship With My Husband
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Send us a text I am so grateful to have a secure relationship with my husband, but it wasn’t always that way. Earlier in our relationship, I was terrified of being left by him, and I built myself an armor of hyper independence and dishonesty. I pretended to be ways I wasn’t to stay safe and “belong” with him. This lack of safety and insecurity in o…
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Episode 63 - Writing Your Way Back to You with AshMae Hoiland
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Send us a text I’m incredibly thankful for Ashmae Hoiland for creating such an engaging conversation this week. Ashmae is a talented writer, painter, and maker. Ashmae’s upcoming essay collection, Letters to a Leaving Mormon, will be released on November 1, 2024. Ahead of its release, we wanted to speak about how writing- one of the most ancient pr…
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Episode 62 - Acceptance is the Path to Power
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Send us a text We have this idea that acceptance means approval, that if we accept when something goes wrong—when a boundary is crossed, when someone disappoints us, when we get rejected—we’re saying it’s okay. When this is how we define acceptance, we avoid it; and when we avoid acceptance, we reject reality. We avoid processing our unmet expectat…
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Episode 61 - How Working on My People Pleasing is Honoring Me with My Grief with Elizabeth Hester
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Send us a text Today I have Elizabeth Hester joining me on the podcast. She’s a current member of the Stop People Pleasing group coaching program that started back in January. She’s a mother, teacher, and lifelong student. She’s also the owner of multiple UPS stores in North Carolina. She’s been processing her grief from the loss of her husband in …
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Episode 60 - Exploring Non-Traditional Relationships with Kimberly Mathis
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Send us a text I’m so grateful for my guest Kimberly Mathis and this week’s fascinating conversation. Kimberly is a queer therapist-turned-general life coach with an ADHD brain who helps people change what feels unchangeable. She teaches her clients how to make their own decisions and navigate difficult relationships - including the one they have w…
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Episode 59 - Transparency as a Woman in the Self-Help World
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Send us a text I want to have a conversation with you about the tension in this self-help marketing space so that you know where I’m coming from. I want you to know what my values are and I want you to know what I'm striving for. I want you to look at the lens of your own values through the products that are being marketed to you, because it is rel…
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Episode 58 - Stories from Inside Stop People Pleasing Group Coaching Program
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Send us a text This episode features conversations I did with four current participants of my Stop People Pleasing group coaching program: Natalie Hagwood, Elizabeth Sherman, Kelly True, and Gini Ewart. I hope that by hearing their stories, you're inspired to see what is possible for you, and take a little peek into some of the things that I teach.…
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Episode 57 - What If Your Marriage Was A Tool For Liberation? with Maggie Reyes
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Send us a text Maggie Reyes is a wonderful marriage coach who I had the honor of having as a coach myself. Maggie helped me get to another version of my marriage that has been just so delightful. She has a podcast called “The Marriage Life Coach Podcast.” Maggie’s double-certified as both a Life Coach and a Sex, Love and Relationship coach by two o…
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Episode 56 - How To Advocate For Yourself in a Medical Setting with Sara Hughes Zabawa
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Send us a text This week, Sara Hughes-Zabawa LCSW, CDWF joins me to talk about advocating for yourself in a medical setting. Sara is a therapist, licensed clinical social worker, Certified Daring Way™ facilitator, yoga instructor, & wellness coach. She’s passionate about helping clients thrive as they enhance the quality of their lives through fost…
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Episode 55 - How to Remodel a Relationship
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Send us a text This episode is all about relationships. As humans, we’re wired for connection and meant to have a variety of dynamics in our lives. Friendship, intimacy, and pleasure are necessary in life, as well as our independence. Life is the balance of independence vs. interdependence. In this episode I offer tools to help assess if you want t…
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Episode 54 - Grief is Part of the Process
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Send us a text Grief plays a big part in the journey to stopping people pleasing and perfectionating. It's the death or the changing of a former life- a former way of seeing the world, a former way that we used to relate to each other in relationships, a former way that we used to be rewarded and recognized. It comes up a lot in my group coaching p…
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Episode 53 - Imposter Syndrome with Kori Linn
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Send us a text In this episode, Kori Linn and I discuss Imposter Syndrome. Kori is a life and career coach as well as the host of the Satisfied AF podcast. She helps clients, listeners, and social media followers create more satisfaction & delight in every area of their lives. Imposter syndrome points the finger at individuals and burdens them with…
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Episode 52 - Let's Talk about Infidelity with Andrea Giles
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Send us a text This week I’m joined by Andrea Giles. She's a certified life coach and has a podcast called “Heal From Infidelity”. Andrea helps women sort out the confusion, grief, fear, doubt, and frustration that comes when infidelity (as well as other forms of betrayal) occurs in their marriage. Today we talk about our life stories and what got …
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Episode 51 - The Size of Our Wanting is the Size of Our Life
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Send us a text Our wanting is essential and important. Women feel shame around wanting because we’ve been taught to not want things. “Don't be needy or selfish.” How many times have you heard or felt this? Do you choose not to hope or strive for your heart's desires because it's easier to not want than to be disappointed? Wanting is opening up to y…
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What if the fear of burning out and overworking is actually causing the burnout? And what if working harder and smarter is the best way to avoid it? Today on the And She Spoke Podcast, we are diving deep into our thoughts on burnout. Listen in to hear all about the history of the term, its three stages, the dangers of wanting to be burnt out to pro…
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Episode 50 - The Power of a Consult with Laura Sully
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Send us a text For this episode, Laura Sully joins me to share her experience having a consult with me. Booking a consult with me is the best way to start your journey with stopping people pleasing. When you start working with me, I’ll give you tools that are immediately useful in your life. Then we’ll get into processing emotions and dive deeper i…
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How to Survive Cancel-Culture with Kelly Diels
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There are far too many women today who won’t make themselves visible due to a fear of visibility itself — a fear of being targeted, trashed, and taken down. Joining us today is return guest, Kelly Diels, who always brings new and insightful ideas to the conversation. Kelly is a business teacher for Culture Makers where she helps socially conscious …
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Episode 49 - What If 2024 is the Year You Stop People Pleasing?
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Send us a text What if 2024 is the year you stop people pleasing? What if you started to create a world around you where you feel respected by yourself and others? The universality of our preprogramming aka good girl programming silently shapes us. We can learn to overcome the discomfort, and gain the respect we desire from ourselves and others. It…
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Predictions for Coaching in 2024
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Today on the And She Spoke podcast, we’re sharing our predictions for the coaching industry in 2024 with you so you can leverage the best techniques for success in your business this year. Tune in to hear all about the changes we’ve seen in the coaching industry recently and what we think will happen throughout the year. From the dangers of high-ti…
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Episode 48 - Food and People Pleasing with Elizabeth Sherman
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Send us a text Elizabeth Sherman joins me this week to discuss midlife and the changes women experience on different levels. Humans socialized as women experience emotional, physical, and mental changes as they get older. Health should be the overall goal but our society's ways of thinking mess that up. Diet culture and the patriarchy are such nega…
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What We're Leaving Behind in 2024
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A lot has happened in 2023! Join us in today’s episode as we explore all that we intend to leave behind as we move into 2024 and what we envision for ourselves, And She Coaching and Hey Marvelous in the coming year. We reflect on the events of the past year with a focus on what we would like to take with us and what we are ready to do differently. …
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Episode 47 - People Pleasing and Parenting with Andee Martineau, Part 2
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Send us a text Andee Martineau and I continue our conversation this week about people pleasing and parenting. Tolerating failures and disappointments with your children can be challenging but it is possible to deal with. The need to fix, save, and/or rescue can be consuming. As a parent, you have to be true to yourself and respect yourself first wh…
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Finding Your Voice in Virtual Spaces with Casey Erin Clark
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Many of us spend what felt like a lifetime on Zoom meetings, and perhaps you struggled to find your voice in this virtual space. This is completely normal because the rules of engagement are entirely different online than they are in the real world. To wrap up our 'best-of' series, we're replaying an episode with guests Casey Erin Clark and Julie F…
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