Episode 57 Tribute Re-release: The Royal Tenenbaums (with Nic Fornasier)

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Today we pay tribute to brother and editor of the podcast Nic Fornasier (11.10.1990 – 22.6.2023). We release in one episode, 2021’s originally 2 parter episode, where Nic joins Steph as they explore the dysfunctional family opus, The Royal Tenenbaums (2001), Directed by Wes Anderson and written by Wes and Owen Wilson, it was Nic and Steph’s shared favourite film of all time.

Together they asked the question, can narcissistic dads who abandon their kids make up for the resulting trauma? And if so does this movie portray this situation with nuance and respect? Steph and Nic do their best at diagnosing the characters, discuss how the family relates to their own lives, and whether the Wes-isms in the film are helpful or harmful for the viewer.

We dedicate this episode to Nic. We love you Niccie.

CONTENT WARNING: Suicide (particularly from 1:35:13 – 1:39:18), substance use and addiction (including personal experiences), depression, self harm, childhood emotional manipulation and neglect, cancer, discussions of sexual content, death of a family member, death of a dog, incest??

NOTE: This podcast is not designed to be therapeutic, prescriptive or constitute a formal diagnosis for any listener, nor the characters discussed. The host is not representative of all psychologists and opinions stated are her own personal opinion, based on her own learnings and training (and minimal lived experience). Host and co-hosts do not have the final say and can only comment based on their own perspectives, so please let us know if you dispute any of these opinions – we are keen for feedback!

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Episode 57 Tribute Re-release: The Royal Tenenbaums (with Nic Fornasier)

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Episode 56: Inclusion in action in How To Train Your Dragon (with Lo Nigrosh) 1:23:29

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TRANSCRIPT HERE Today we are joined by Lo Nigrosh, IBCLC, childbirth educator and paralympian, and delve into the world of Vikings and Dragons, in the Dreamworks franchise How To Train Your Dragon. Lo shares her experience with limb difference and how she feels represented in the film, as well as the use of prosthetics, and how the town of Berk represents an inclusive society. There's themes of parenting, war, disability acceptance, and Lo also shares with us her experience becoming a Paralympic athlete. Steph shares that How to Train Your Dragon is now her toddler's current obsession and it's all Lo's fault. See Lo in her Bronze Medal with her paralympic teammates HERE ! Follow Lo, access her lactation consultant supports, and listen to her brilliant podcast The Milk Making Minutes via the below links! Book a Lactation Visit With Me Through Insurance www.quabbinbirthservices.com Listen on Amazon Music Listen on Apple Listen on Spotify Instagram The Milk Making Minutes Community Group CONTENT WARNING: Discussion of ableism and ableist tropes, limb loss, breast & body feeding, postnatal mental health. Follow Psychocinematic on Instagram , Twitter and Tiktok ! or join our Facebook Group ! Email us at psychocinematicpodcast@gmail.com . Join our PATREON to support us and get sikkkk benefits and bonus content! And check out our NEW WEBSITE REFERENCES: 'You don’t need to dumb down for children in any way whatsoever': Cressida Cowell on her new book, writing for children and Einstein's quotability | BookTrust ‘How to Train Your Dragon′ 3 revisits empowering depictions embraced by amputees - The Washington Post How to Train Your Dragon's Refreshing Approach To Disability - One Room With A View How to Train Your Dragon – Disability Movies How ‘How To Train Your Dragon’ Makes Disabilities Normal – arbezlife (wordpress.com) Disabled Representation in the How To Train Your Dragon Film Trilogy (tfurj.com) The Fries Test: On Disability Representation in Our Culture | by Kenny Fries | Medium Well Intentioned: America Ferrera Is Recognizing Her Own Strength and Welcoming Inspiration | Vogue Jay Baruchel Opens Up About Generalized Anxiety Disorder: ‘Very Small’ Things ‘Felt Insurmountable’ | ETCanada.com NOTE: This podcast is not designed to be therapeutic, prescriptive or constitute a formal diagnosis for any listener, nor the characters discussed. The host is not representative of all psychologists and opinions stated are her own personal opinion, based on her own learnings and training (and minimal lived experience). Host and co-hosts do not have the final say and can only comment based on their own perspectives, so please let us know if you dispute any of these opinions – we are keen for feedback!…

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Episode 55: Heartbreak High aka All Hail Queen Chloe Hayden (with Zoe Simmons) 1:18:00

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TRANSCRIPT HERE Welcome to Hartley High, where the kids are much much cooler than we ever were but also more relatable than they’ve ever been. Join disability advocate, journalist and copywriter Zoe Simmons, as she discusses with Steph what she related to in Netflix’s 2022 reboot of iconic Australian series, Heartbreak High. Steph and Zoe discuss how the writers really strived to provide appropriate representation, what landed and what didn’t, and ok spoiler - how the character of Quinni played by Chloe Hayden is hands down the best autistic representation we have seen to date. Also, learn what an Eshay is! Kids these days, amirite? Follow Zoe on Twitter @ItBeingsWithZ & Instagram @SomethingBeginningWithZ and check out her copywriting website here: Zoe Simmons CONTENT WARNING: Discussion of racism, racial violence, drug & alcohol use, sexual assault, ableism, suicidal ideation Follow Psychocinematic on Instagram , Twitter and Tiktok ! or join our Facebook Group ! Email us at psychocinematicpodcast@gmail.com. Join our PATREON to support us and get sikkkk benefits and bonus content! And check out our NEW WEBSITE REFERENCES: Unmasking Female Autistic Representation on TV — Kill Your Darlings . What the Heartbreak High reboot gets right about Fi... | NIT Heartbreak High has the best representation of autism I've ever seen Hannah Carroll Chapman, Heartbreak High writer: I jumped so high my neck almost snapped | ScreenHub Australia - Film & Television Jobs, News, Reviews & Screen Industry Data Heartbreak High: Australian drama wins hearts around the world with its authentic representation | SBS News Ayesha Madon On How Heartbreak High Flips The Narrative PEOPLE OF NOTE: ASHER YASBINCEK, WILL MCDONALD & TOM WEATHERALL BY ROBBIE FIMMANO Heartbreak High has the best representation of autism I've ever seen NOTE: This podcast is not designed to be therapeutic, prescriptive or constitute a formal diagnosis for any listener, nor the characters discussed. The host is not representative of all psychologists and opinions stated are her own personal opinion, based on her own learnings and training (and minimal lived experience). Host and co-hosts do not have the final say and can only comment based on their own perspectives, so please let us know if you dispute any of these opinions – we are keen for feedback! c528290681b4db768c3f15d946b904fe21abf73e…

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Episode 54: Frozen is Psychoeducation for kids... and adults (with Laura Pettenuzzo) 1:29:30

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