Join us, feminist coaches Taina Brown and Becky Mollenkamp, for casual (and often deep) conversations about business, current events, politics, pop culture, and more. We’re not perfect activists or allies! These are our real-time, messy thoughts as we make sense of the world around us. If you also want to create a more just and equitable world, please join us on the journey to Messy Liberation.
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Eat the Rules is dedicated to empowering you to break free of societal standards, body shame and live life beyond the scale. Summer interviews the leading experts in body image, the anti-diet movement, self-help and intersectional feminism, covering a range of topics that include: body positivity, size acceptance, fat positivity, self-worth, self-esteem, intuitive eating and eating disorder recovery, health at every size and positive psychology. Summer also gives practical advice and shares ...
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The French activist, novelist and philosopher Simone de Beauvoir (1908-1986) is more popular than ever. In this podcast, we ask how her political commitments have shaped her writing as well as her public interventions: existentialism, Marxism, anti-colonialism and, finally feminism. This podcast, starting from Beauvoir’s social and political engagement, asks to what extent De Beauvoir provides important tools for diagnosing the present and offering a prognosis for the future. Her life and wo ...
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#304: New! Trends influencing our body image and more with Danni “Amapoundcake” Adams
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I’m joined by Amapoundcake - we are talking about some of the trends we’re seeing that are influencing body image and body liberation, including the proliferation of weight loss drugs and our culture’s fixation with looking younger. We also talk about the Body Image Coach Certification program and our experience with the new format. Support the sho…
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From Olympics to Elections: How Power and Racism Shape Our World
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From Olympics to Elections: How Power and Racism Shape Our World In this episode of Messy Liberation, co-hosts Becky Mollenkamp and Taina Brown dive into the controversies surrounding the 2024 Olympics, including the Imane Khelif controversy and the drama between Mykayla Skinner and Simone Biles. The discussion explores the intersections of race, g…
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#303: 10 examples of Body Neutrality…(Body Image Series) Revisited
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I’m revisiting the body image series, talking about what body neutrality looks like in everyday life with some specific examples. Show notes: summerinnanen.com/303 In this episode, I talk about: - Two questions I ask to determine body neutrality, - How it’s really hard to be neutral about your body in a culture that has body hierarchies, - That bod…
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Guilty Pleasures and Gender Roles: The Hidden Depths of Trash TV
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Summary: In this episode of Messy Liberation, co-hosts Becky Mollenkamp and Taina Brown dive deep into the world of reality TV and its societal implications. From the allure of guilty pleasures to the entrenched gender roles and societal expectations, Becky and Taina unpack the complexities behind what many dismiss as "trash TV." They discuss how t…
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In this episode of Messy Liberation, co-hosts Becky Mollenkamp and Taina Brown dive into the complexities and frustrations of tipping culture in America. Becky shares a recent spa experience that highlights the manipulative practices tied to tipping and product sales. The conversation evolves into a broader critique of the capitalist structures tha…
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#302: How to Know if you Have a Healthy Body Image (Body Image Series) Revisited
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I’m revisiting the Body Image Series, talking about how to know if you have a healthy body image and the number one tool I use with clients to assess this. Show notes: summerinnanen.com/302 In this episode, I talk about: - What it means to have a positive body image, - How self-worth is at the core of body image, - Why it’s important to be able to …
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Politics & Values: Tenacious D, Usha Vance, and Sticker Mule
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Summary: Feminist coaches Becky Mollenkamp and Taina Brown dive into the political and cultural turbulence of the past week. The discussion touches on the backlash against Tenacious D, Usha Vance's complex positioning, and the controversial Sticker Mule email supporting Trump. With their signature no-nonsense approach, Becky and Taina explore the i…
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Sick Days and Self-Care: Navigating Forced Rest as a Business Owner
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In this episode of Messy Liberation, co-hosts Becky Mollenkamp and Taina Brown dive deep into the complex emotions and societal pressures that come with forced rest. Becky shares her recent experience with a debilitating illness that left her bedridden and riddled with guilt, despite being an advocate for rest and self-care. Taina reflects on her e…
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#301: What is Body Neutrality? (Body Image Series) Revisited
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I’m revisiting the Body Image Series, talking all about body neutrality - what is is and isn’t, what it looks like in real life, the stages people go through to get there, and the key elements to getting body neutral. Show notes: summerinnanen.com/301 In this episode, I talk about: - How I like to reframe body neutrality as a way to get more joy ou…
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Is This the End of Democracy?
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Summary: In this episode of Messy Liberation, feminist coaches Becky Mollenkamp and Taina Brown dive into the recent Supreme Court ruling on presidential immunity and its profound implications for democracy. They share their raw emotions and discuss how this decision feels like a monumental shift in the nation's trajectory. From the disassociation …
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Divestment, Intersectional Feminism, and Imperfect Activism
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In this premiere episode of "Messy Liberation," feminist coaches Becky Mollenkamp and Taina Brown introduce their new podcast, aiming to tackle the complexities of living as intersectional feminists. They discuss the messy realities of divestment from capitalism while still operating within it, the balance between individual and collective responsi…
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The journey toward liberation is messy AF, and Taina Brown and Becky Mollenkamp are here for it! 💥 Join them for the Messy Liberation, a podcast about current events, politics, pop culture, and business through an intersectional feminist lens. Taina and Becky aren’t perfect activists or allies, so don’t expect polished and perfectly formulated conv…
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#300: 5 Lessons on Body Image After 10 years of This Podcast
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This is episode 300 and the 10 year anniversary of this podcast. To celebrate I’m reflecting on 5 of the key lessons I’ve learned about body image throughout the years of doing this podcast. It’s part cultural critique, part rant, and part love fest. And there is some optimism about the future. Show notes: summerinnanen.com/300 In this episode, we …
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#299: What’s Behind Your Body Image Struggles with Jessi Kneeland
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I’m joined by Jessi Kneeland, a queer and non-binary body image coach, speaker, and author of the book BODY NEUTRAL: A Revolutionary Guide to Overcoming Body Image Issues. We are talking about why body image struggles are not a thinking problem and how we need to understand our deeper needs to identify the source of our struggles. We also talk abou…
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#298: Understanding Health Beyond Weight with Ashantis Jones
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I’m joined by Ashantis Jones, Therapist, Mental Health Coach, NASM Certified Personal Trainer, and Group Fitness Instructor. We are talking about how ADHD, Autism, and anxiety influenced Ashantis’ relationship with her body. We’re also talking about why it’s so important to understand the social determinants of health when we have conversations abo…
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#297: Weight Loss Medications (Ozempic, Wegovy, GLP-1s) with Dr. Asher Larmie
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I’m joined by Dr. Asher Larmie, Transmasculine weight-inclusive GP and leading expert in weight stigma. Asher is breaking down everything you need to know about weight loss medications like Ozempic and Wegovy. We talk about what the research says about the long-term effects of these medications, their side effects, how much weight you might lose an…
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#296: Finding purpose beyond dieting (Laura’s Story / YOF Spotlight)
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I’m sharing Laura’s story who was one of the incredible women who worked with me during the You, On Fire program. She talks about how she was consumed with body and food thoughts and had been on and off diets for nearly 3 decades. She shares how she learned to accept her body and how that’s unlocked so many great things in her life. You’ll find all…
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#295: Aging, Body Image and Sexuality (Body Image Series)
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I’m looking at the influence of perimenopause - the transitional period before menopause - on sexuality and how this intersects with body image. I also talk about how hormonal changes that occur during perimenopause can influence sexual desire, and why understanding our sexual functioning and desire is important when talking about body image, as pa…
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#294: Perimenopause and Body Image (Body Image Series)
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I’m talking about the influence of perimenopause – the transitional period before menopause – on body image. I’m looking at what the research says about perimenopause and body image, why our body image is worse during perimenopause compared to menopause, and what we can do to build resiliency and mitigate these effects, as part of the Body Image Se…
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#293: Drinking and diet culture with Lael Atkinson
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I’m joined by Lael Atkinson, a certified professional recovery coach who works at the intersection of drinking and dieting. They are talking about the similarities between drinking culture and diet culture and how they have both set us up to steal our time, energy and money. They also talk about how dieting fuels drinking, why we should not compare…
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#292: AITA Diet and Body Edition Part 2 - with Vinny Welsby
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In this episode, I’m cohosting with my best buddy Vinny Welsby. Have you ever read the “Am I The Asshole” questions on Reddit? If you don’t know what AITA is: People ask the internet if they were in the right or wrong about a situation that happened in their life. In the second half of this two-part episode, Vinny and I are reading some of these to…
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#291: AITA Diet and Body Edition Part 1 - with Vinny Welsby
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In this episode, I’m cohosting with my best buddy Vinny Welsby. Have you ever read the “Am I The Asshole” questions on Reddit? If you don’t know what AITA is: People ask the internet if they were in the right or wrong about a situation that happened in their life. Vinny and I are reading some of these to give our verdict on AITA posts around weight…
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#290: How Core Beliefs Influence Our Body Image with Nia Patterson
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I’m joined by Nia Patterson, author of the newly released “What’s The Story” A Guided Walkthrough of the Stories You Tell Yourself About Your Body. Nia shares their story of recovering from an eating disorder, what helped them in recovery, what body neutrality means when your body isn’t neutral in our culture, how core beliefs influence our body im…
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#289: Beyond Body Neutrality with Tiffany Ima
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I’m joined by Tiffany Ima, who is also a body image coach. She shares her story of how she developed exercise bulimia and bulimia and what helped her to overcome that. We also talk about why body neutrality isn’t enough for her, how she’s learned to celebrate and embrace her body, and the importance of using self-expression to heal. Show notes: sum…
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#288: Oprah & What to Do if Your Client Wants to Lose Weight with Danni “Amapoundcake” Adams
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I’m joined by Amapoundcake - we are talking about some of the recent headlines in the news around anti-fatness including the photos of Emily Ratajkowski in the extra large jeans and Oprah’s announcement that she’s been using weight loss drugs. We segue into talking about what to do if you still want to lose weight or if you work with clients who st…
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#287: Body Acceptance After Weight Loss Surgery (Janine’s Story / YOF Spotlight)
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I’m joined by Janine, who was one of the incredible women who worked with me during the You, On Fire program. She talks about how she struggled with her weight for over 4 decades and even went through two weight loss surgeries to find herself still feeling hatred and shame about her body. She talks about how she had had enough of being in that cycl…
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#286: Letting go of external validation (Samantha’s Story / YOF Spotlight)
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I’m joined by Samantha, who was one of the incredible women who worked with me during the You, On Fire program. She talks about how aging had brought up some old body image concerns and had made her more concerned about what other people are thinking of her. Through our work together she was able to let go of that external validation and be unapolo…
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#285: Help! I have a friend who “watches their weight” (Body Image Series)
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I’m talking about what to do if you feel triggered by someone in your life who is “watching their weight,” and five things to consider when this happens. Plus, how the weight loss industry is designed to make us question ourselves, as part of the Body Image Series. Show notes: summerinnanen.com/285 In this episode, I talk about: - Why my rage is di…
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#284: Is Recovery From an Eating Disorder Even Possible? With Cole Kazdin
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I’m joined by Cole Kazdin, author of the book What’s Eating Us - Women, Food and the epidemic of Body Anxiety. We’re talking about what “recovery” actually looks like and whether being fully recovered even exists. We also talk about the problems with the eating disorder treatment industry and what’s helped her maintain recovery from a decade’s long…
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#283: Dealing with Aging Body Changes (Body Image Series)
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I’m walking you through different steps you can take to navigate shame you may have about your aging body and the importance of being curious about what you’ve attached to your younger body, as part of the Body Image Series. Show notes: summerinnanen.com/283 In this episode, we talk about: - Where I’m at with my own aging changes, - That many of th…
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#282: Similarities Between Anti-Aging Culture & Diet Culture (Body Image Series)
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I’m talking about the similarities between diet culture and anti-aging culture, and the importance of being more discerning of the messages we’re taking in, as part of the Body Image Series. Show notes: summerinnanen.com/282 In this episode, we talk about: - How aging concerns spans generations, - The surprising stats on the growth of the anti-agin…
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#281: Building Confidence and Being Unashamed with Leah V
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I’m joined by Leah V, author of Unashamed: Musings of a Fat, Black, Muslim. We talk about her incredible story of how she battled an eating disorder, mental illness, and body shame to own who she is unapologetically and become an international plus-size Hijabi model, award-winning author and body-positive activist. We also talk about her thoughts o…
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#280: Dealing with Weight Changes (Body Image Series)
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I’m walking you through a 3-phase framework to deal with weight change and talking about the importance of processing the feelings that come with weight change, as part of the Body Image Series. Show notes: summerinnanen.com/280 In this episode, I talk about: - How it’s common to go onto investigation and problem-solving mode and the problem with t…
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#279: When You Fear Weight Gain (Body Image Series)
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I’m talking about what to do when you fear weight gain. I also explore where this fear comes from and how it holds us back, as part of the Body Image Series. Show notes: summerinnanen.com/279 In this episode, I talk about: - The importance of aiming for unconditional acceptance, - This fear’s root in anti-fat bias and anti-Blackness, - The issue of…
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#278: Season 9 Premier - changes, survey results, and what to expect from this season
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This is the premier of season 9 of the podcast. I’m giving you an update on some changes that are happening, what to expect from this season, and I’m sharing some survey results about what you want more of. Show notes: summerinnanen.com/278 In this episode, I talk about: - An update on some exciting personal changes happening this year and how that…
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#277: When you “intellectually get it” but still feel bad in your body (Body Image Series Revisited)
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I’m talking about when you “intellectually get it” but still feel bad in your body, what this process can look like, and what you can do to move forward and feel better in your body, as part of the Body Image Series. Show notes: summerinnanen.com/277 In this episode, I talk about: - A useful analogy between becoming a parent and starting on the pat…
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#276: What to do if you still want to lose weight (the answer might surprise you) (Body Image Series Revisited)
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#276: What to do if you still want to lose weight (the answer might surprise you) (Body Image Series Revisited) Description: I’m talking about negative body thoughts, exploring how NOT to respond to them and how to begin the work of changing them, as part of the Body Image Series. Show notes: summerinnanen.com/276 In this episode, I talk about: - P…
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#275: Misconceptions About Body Acceptance (Body Image Series Revisited)
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I’m unpacking 4 misconceptions about body acceptance that will help you shift your perspective and make accepting your body easier, as part of the Body Image Series. Show notes: summerinnanen.com/275 In this episode, I talk about: - How body acceptance doesn’t mean loving every part of your body, - The importance of choosing yourself and making spa…
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#274: Where Our Body Image Comes From (Body Image Series Revisited)
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I’m unpacking where our body image comes from and how to unpack your own body image origins. I also talk about how this is a systemic and cultural issue that is hardcoded in our DNA, as part of the Body Image Series. Show notes: summerinnanen.com/274 In this episode, I talk about: - How systems of oppression impact body image and how we’re treated …
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#273: What We Get Wrong About Self-Care with Taylor Elyse Morrison
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I’m joined by Taylor Elyse Morrison, author of Inner Workout. We’re talking about how she went from being terrible at self-care, to now helping others to truly care for themselves. We chat about her revolutionary approach to self-care, the 5 dimensions of self-care, and what we typically get wrong about self-care. Show notes: summerinnanen.com/273 …
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#272: When Healthy Eating Goes Too Far - Recovering from Orthorexia with Esther Kane
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I’m joined by Esther Kane, Eating Disorder Psychotherapist. We’re talking about her recovery from Orthorexia, some of the signs and symptoms of Orthorexia, and what helped her to heal. Show notes: summerinnanen.com/272 CW: There are mentions of specific orthorexic behaviours in this episode. Please do what is best for you. You can skip to the 10 mi…
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#271: Changing Beliefs About Fatness with Aubrey Gordon
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I’m joined by Aubrey Gordon, co-host of Maintenance Phase and author of What We Don’t Talk About When We Talk About Fat and “You Just Need to Lose Weight” and 19 Other Myths About Fat People. We’re talking about how we can change beliefs about fatness within ourselves and in our culture, and how the proliferation of weight loss drugs will influence…
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#270: Aging and Body Image with Deb Benfield
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I’m joined by Deb Benfield, Registered Dietician Nutritionist and pro-aging advocate. We’re talking about why concerns about aging and what that does to your appearance are starting when we’re younger, how aging creates vulnerability to diet and wellness culture, and how you can unpack your internalized ageism. Show notes: summerinnanen.com/270 In …
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#269: Body Image Coach Certification students share their experiences
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Danni “Amapoundcake” Adams and I are together catching up with some of the past graduates of our Body Image Coach Certification program. They share what they got out of the program both personally and professionally. Show notes: summerinnanen.com/269 In this episode, we talk about: - Danni “Amapoundcake” Adams is back and we’re catching up with pas…
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#268: Debunking Wellness Claims with Christy Harrison
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I’m joined by Christy Harrison, author of Anti-Diet and most recently The Wellness Trap. We’re talking about why, as a culture, we’re so obsessed with wellness and how social media perpetuates this. We’re also debunking some of the more common wellness claims and what to watch out for so that you don’t fall into the wellness trap. Show notes: summe…
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#267: 300 Pounds and Running with Martinus Evans
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I’m joined by Martinus Evans, author of Slow AF Run Club and creator of the page 300 pounds and running. We’re talking about how Martinus ran his first marathon after his doctor told him he was going to “lose weight or die.” We talk about his relationship with his body and movement and how running helped revolutionize his perspective and view of hi…
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#266: Eating Disorders as Anxiety Disorders with Chris Sandel
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I’m joined by Chris Sandel, nutritionist and coach. We’re talking about what we can learn about eating disorders and diet recovery from the Minnesota Starvation Experiment, why eating disorders are like anxiety disorders, how treating eating disorders in this way can help with recovery, and Chris’s framework that he uses with clients to help them h…
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#265: From Personal Body Liberation to Collective Liberation with Chrissy King
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I’m joined by Chrissy King, Author of The Body Liberation Project. We’re talking about Chrissy’s journey towards body liberation, how she was seeking proximity to whiteness via weight loss, the difference between body neutrality and body liberation and how we can all strive for collective liberation. Show notes: summerinnanen.com/265 In this episod…
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#264: Why “Dismantling Diet Culture” Isn’t Enough with Jessica Wilson
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I’m joined by Jessica Wilson, MS, RD, and Author of It’s Always Been Ours. We’re talking about why “dismantling diet culture” isn’t enough, how ideas like “intuitive eating” can cause harm, and the conversations we really need to be having to make systemic change. We also talk about the relationship between anti-fatness and anti-Blackness and why p…
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#263: Why Self-Compassion is so Hard (Body Image Series)
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We often struggle with self-compassion and yet, it’s a fundamental skill to develop to heal your relationship with your body. I’m breaking down 5 reasons we struggle with self-compassion and how to overcome them, as part of the Body Image Series. Show notes: summerinnanen.com/263 In this episode, I talk about: - That it’s very common to struggle wi…
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