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Hello ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Episode 10 in Episode 9, we discussed the salesforce.com entry into the censorships base. And I just want to circle back to that to steal from our worst press secretary in the history of the United States. But I'm actually going to circle back to it, I want to make sure that you understand what I'm trying to say. Veritas because salesforce.com for no reason that I can think of other than outright bigotry and discrimination is being canceled from salesforce.com, they could have hundreds of 1000s of dollars. Same thing with RNC who most certainly does have six figures tied up in salesforce.com, plus another six figures that they're being forced to spend, certainly in the $10,000 range, that they're being forced to bend to find another provider. So it's not just the game they provide, find another provider, they also have to pay for the implementation of the new software. So it's an interruption to their business services. And it'll be interesting to see, I don't know that it's legal to sue them, because I'm pretty sure that they have a right to terminate, but, but it's something you had to factor into when you are interviewing prospective vendors when you put out a request for proposal. And prospective vendors are trying to woo your business, you need to start having it written into these contracts, exactly what they're going to do, how they're going to treat language, what the difference, what the definition of words are. I mean, when you have to get down to they have to change the definition from inciting violence to potentially might kind of will incite violence, you need to get that all ironed out and in your contracts. Because most of these contracts are contracts of adhesion. think that if you can't get somebody that you trust, you're going to have to negotiate a better contract. Or possibly, you're going to have to go back to paper and pencil for contact relationship management, or outlook, which a lot of people and small businesses are going to are going to do now. salesforce.com pictures itself is an enterprise platform, it prices itself as an enterprise platform, but it spends a ton of resources and money on trying to woo small businesses. Small businesses are less than 500 employees. So they're not that small. And they make up most of the employer, employees, and employers and opportunity for growth. For companies like salesforce.com, it's just they're not as profitable as an enterprise sale. If you can go into landing a T Mobile account, let's say just use them, you know, you might end up with 10s of 1000s of seats just on one installation, versus trying to get at 10 seats at a time. So you can see where the the scale, you can see where the scale can m pack down their profitability. However, they're going to have to pay out the same kind of sales commission, it's just less effort once they get the product up and running. Now, that's usually negotiated out in price. So they're gonna pay a lot less per seat for a large company, Coca Cola, many fortune 500 company that might decide to use a CRM, they're going to pay less per seat once they negotiate it down. And that's going to be to their economies of scale also. Now, what are we going to discuss today, we're going to discuss the parlor versus Amazon lawsuit. And we'll see where we go from there. I want to keep this one short, get it out. It's the start of spring break. And ladies and gentlemen, thank you to Greg Abbott, for having the common sense

Thomas Talleyrand 4:33
to go with what the data is showing us and the data is showing us that first of all, masks don't seem to be working as well as they had hoped. And also that people are going to wear masks in heavily populated areas because they just have a common sense. Hey, it might help. Like I discussed before, like I say at the end of my podcast if you're gonna wear a mask, And then 95 do not wear a cloth mask, okay? There's possibly some health problems with that. It might be better than nothing. But if you had to wear masks for a long period of time, you don't you want something that's pretty high grade, you don't want to be breathing in a lot of small particles of cloth or paper into your lungs, you don't know what that's gonna do is those degrade over time? There are some studies that show that it might, might cause cancer. So I don't think we need the government to tell us what to do. I think we're all grown people. That's why in March, I started wearing a mask. It kills me to go to the store. I have severe asthma. like I've discussed before. But thank you, Greg Abbott, for not making it a government mandate. I noticed that in my town, everybody still wears a mask in a grocery store. No one wants to get anybody sick peer pressure. And education would do much more than lying to us. And trying to Gaslight us. It's just that simple. People, you know, when you make it a government mandate, you're impinging on our civil rights. The government doesn't have these rights. And just because a quarter rolls of courts have so far ruled in their favor doesn't mean that's going to be the way that it ends up. And just because the court rules something doesn't mean that it's properly decided. We have no further to look back to the Jim Crow law days, the days of separate but equal and even before that. So here we are dealing with a masculist, Texas that still somewhat masking up our numbers will probably be exactly what they were to begin with. That gets me into the parlor lawsuit. Let me go find it so I can read it to you. Now, this is going to be in state court. They dismiss their federal complaint. They had to with that judge, she was obviously unqualified, biased. And you know, to me, she sounded like she is crazy. Her rulings were not very good. They weren't bounded in law. And black, Nick ricotta says they probably killed Amazon. Excuse me, they probably killed Palor. parlor. Seems dead to me too. Just like Nick says when you go on there. It seems like there's nobody there. There's no community anymore. However, I think that this lawsuit is much better written just like Nick ricotta says. And, you know, hopefully this will lead to large judgment against Amazon. And enough that Amazon will start to treat their contracts seriously. Nature, the action defendants amazon inc. And its subsidiary, Amazon Web Services are a commercial Goliath. It goes on to talk about what their net worth is. talks about how they help parlor had a rising app on all the markets, expect parlors going to sue some other companies as well. The big thing that they get into is that they were a huge concern for Twitter. And they were a huge concern for Facebook. They would also probably be a huge concern for Parler, excuse me for Google, as they start to get into having more resources. Where were they going to get more Reese's resources from? Well, pretty seriously.

Thomas Talleyrand 9:03
Or, well, we learned that parlor was looking at going public that they had a business valuation of over a billion dollars. And as we know, with these type of blue sky companies that are social media companies, they tend to blow up in value, with just a slight aside that they might eventually be able to turn some kind of profit. Twitter is a case study in this. So a Snapchat, YouTube was not that popular until they were taken over by Google. So you know, that's what everybody bets on. They bet on one of the big vendors purchasing Google or Microsoft are somebody coming in and purchasing the next software so that they can cash out. It's how the market works. It's why these things are probably with what's called Blue Sky, blue sky is the value of a company of its goodwill, good name and cash. Cash flow that is not necessarily part of its net asset value. Its net asset value being the actual value of its contracts, its liabilities, its liabilities, its assets, its customer base, and its cash flow. So parlour was going to be able to go public, and if they were to go public, their valuation was brought to me about a billion dollars. That was prior to the millions of new users that they got and getting up to number one, and and both of the app stores parlor was prevented from getting online. And there's a lot of things we'll skip the introduction and the venue arguments. Get into the facts. parlours platform is not like Amazon's Twitter's, or Facebook's Twitter and Facebook, gather data on our users and sell it. And these tech giants also employ targeted advertising by leveraging user data, something they can charge advertise users more for see Stigler center for the past girlies inside the excitement's. I'm going to put a link to this in there. This goes on to talk about how there's a difference and the advertising scheme. And that parlor is also different in the way that it serves up its content, which is one of the reasons I don't think they're ever going to recover from this. However, had they been left in place, they would have been fine. But because of their business model, they can't take getting kicked off of all the platforms, they can't take being dark for one minute, much less for a month. more discussion about the direct messaging different between impressions and views. parlors internal data show that users are on parlor about 22 to 28 minutes a day. On average, and that is multiple sessions. Thus when there are hundreds of comments on a parlay few people spend the time to read through all the comments. This is talking about the about the way that they distribute their data again. Now, one thing that they get into that Southland very interesting is that the day before. On January 8 2020, AWS announced it was terminating parlor services. One of the top trends on Twitter was hang Mike pets with over 1000 I'm sorry 14,000 tweets. Hang my pants trends on Twitter after platform suspense Trump or risk of incitement for violence box news. A Los Angeles Times article also covered it.

Thomas Talleyrand 13:20
Violence inciting material is also continued to circulate on Twitter after AWS pulls parlor parlors plug with such post. Receiving lied play. For instance, noted critic of President Trump Alec Baldwin tweeted recently that he had a dream The EX president was on trial for sedition and a noose awaited him outside the courthouse. See angry Mark Miller, Alec Baldwin tweets about drain. At the time a screenshot was taken up for a new story it had over 1000 likes. On January 20, the daughter of the late Iranian general and terrorist qasem soleimani, who was killed in a US missile strike ordered by President Trump tweeted a threat that Trump will live in fear of foes indefinitely. a screenshot taken within 24 hours showed nearly 5000 likes and 2000 people tweeting about it. This is amazing. The President of the United States has kicked off a Twitter but they leave up a terrorist supporter. The top of violent content on Twitter is not new. It's the same stuff in a lot of ways as they did before. Kathy Griffith also reposted her bloody head of President Trump and the recent lawsuit was filed against Twitter, Twitter alleging that it refused to take down widely shared pornographic images and videos of a teenage sex trafficking victim because its investigation didn't find any violation of the company's policies. After Multiple complaints were filed with Twitter and actor the material had racked up over 167,000 views and 2200 retweets. Twitter responded, we reviewed the content and didn't find it a violation of our policies. So no action will be taken at this time. That's a federal offense to obtain child pornography to host child pornography. But it's okay with Twitter to do so. It took a federal agent from the Department of Homeland Security to remove the material from Twitter. You know what, let me back up. This is teenage sex trafficking victim I do not know that that's an under aged victim. So maybe that's what they're hanging their head on. It took a federal agent from the Department of security to remove the material from Twitter. Well, this article says Twitter refused to remove child porn because it didn't violate policies. That's a New York Post article. Further, as is well documented, some groups use Twitter to threaten or harass media members, Andy No, no, is always harassed on there by an Tifa members. We never see Twitter doing anything about it. Amazon itself also hosts significant amounts of content that incite violence, particularly on its own online store. For example, Amazon allowed people on its site to buy a shirt that right that states kill all Republicans, a listing that was even sponsored by Amazon, or one could have bought an Amazon t shirt, with a graphic image of former President Trump blowing his brains out. Likewise, Amazon long sold anti Trump paraphernalia with the message. Where is Lee Harvey Oswald now that we really need him? As Newsweek has pointed out, the neo nazi shirts worn by the proud boy supporters are sold on Amazon. Wow. At one time, Amazon allowed travelers to purchase Auschwitz themed towels, bottle openers or Christmas ornaments. Similarly, Amazon shoppers could buy Nazi propaganda such as anti semitic children's book, written by a member of the Nazi Party later executed for his crimes against humanity, or Hitler's mind cough. Me personally, I think that people ought to be able to read mine comp so that they can see what an evil person Hitler was. But still, that's why you have freedom of speech. In fact, so common is such material on Amazon that it has been condemned by the Council on American Islamic Relations for selling white supremacist material. Amazon defended selling such materials based on concerns about censorship, you can't make this crap up. And crime raiding crime rings have used Amazon to sell stolen goods. There's a North Texas fed site crime ring traveled us to steal retail goods and sell them on Amazon.

Thomas Talleyrand 18:14
I thought eBay was America's fence. Apparently Amazon is to that material being sold on Amazon that promotes violence is Legion. And while Amazon sometimes pulls some of this material, it is still up for some time often until someone out of Amazon brings it to Amazon's attention causing the Auschwitz Memorial Museum to comment that it appears people are taking upon themselves the job that Amazon should be doing. verifying the products that are uploaded there. Wow. That's pretty bad when the Auschwitz museum has to criticize you. That's for Amazon to accuse parlor for failing to police violent inciting material is worse than the pot calling the kettle black. It's a transparent subterfuge. This whole paragraph should have been in the original filing. You know that trigger judge might have realized that Amazon wasn't telling her the truth. Nor is Facebook immune. It knew it had problems with violent content on forums for like minded users called groups. And last August Facebook data scientist warned the company's executives that calls to violence are filling the majority of the platform's top civic groups. those groups are generally dedicated to politics and related issues and collectively reach hundreds of millions of users and enthusiasts that calls for violence every day filled 150 8000 member group. And in the weeks after the election, many large groups including some named in the August presentation, question the results of the vote organized protest about the results and helped indoctrinate the protest. That proceeded the riot. In fact, and a review of the charging documents of the 223 individuals under investigation by the Department of Justice for the January six riot, it was disclosed at 73 of those documents referenced Facebook, far more references than other social networks. What Google owned YouTube the second most direct referenced on 24 and Instagram, a Facebook owned company was next on 20. The data does strongly indicate Facebook was the rioters preferred platform and Facebook was known or has down its content moderation efforts were grossly inadequate for some time. Facebook's abject failure to police such content was confined in a 2020 survey by the anti defamation League, which discovered that the people who had suffered online hate and harassment 77 77% reported at least some of their harassment occurred on Facebook 27% reported experience are experiencing harassment or hate on twitter 8% on Google on YouTube, and 17%, on Instagram. Twitter is mostly a politically driven site. I mean, it started off as a great place to get news. It started off as an interesting place to talk about baseball or football with people that you knew. And then it grew into this. It's just filled with rage and hate at this point, mostly from the left, although people on the right are starting to get tired. Even I'm starting to get tired with people I told a lady that was arguing about the statistics on math mandates. That, you know, she's like, well, what did we learn from this argument and where you're showing us that they don't really seem to have any statistical need, you still ought to do it. I said, you know, what we've learned is that people, you know, like car are shallow thinkers, they only think about the first level of their first blush impression. I never think three things well, is there harm to people who have asthma, is there harm to people who have cancer, like the CDC website says, obviously, that could be a case and needs to be something that's at least accommodated for. If you know, I know when I wear a mask, my oxygen level can drop by as much as 10 points. One of the reasons that I am only able to go to the store maybe once in a day, sometimes it takes me the rest of the day to get over because of my respiratory system issues. So given the this is paragraph 35. Given the problems with

Thomas Talleyrand 23:04
violent content on Amazon, Facebook, Google, Twitter and other websites and apps, it's simply not accurate to suggest that parler had or has a disproportionately large problem with such content. Nor can AWS explanations for taking down parlor hold water. The stated reasons were pretextual designed to conceal AWS his true motives for canceling partner parlor, which were crushing economic competitor for both itself and a major client. See the AWS parlor relationship before January 8 of 2020 parlar contracted with AWS to provide cloud computing services parler needs for its apps and website to function on the internet. Further. Both the apps and the website were written to work with AWS technology as of January 8 2020. switching to a different service provider would require extensive work to migrate parlours platform meaning parlor would be offline for a financially devastating period. And AWS knew this. What is more, AWS sought this defendant relationship. It did so in part by repeatedly trying to sell parlor more services that would magnify parlours dependency on AWS making it hard to ever leave for another cloud service provider. In industry parlance, this is called vendor lock. This is one of the reasons that I discussed salesforce.com service. vendor lock is what every service providing businesses going to want to try to sell, or get their clients to achieve. So that it's just easier to do business with people you already have a good relationship with and you trust That's that's the whole idea. So you're violating that trust when you're making these arbitrary statements and arbitrary cancellations, like salesforce.com seems to be doing with rnc with Vera pass, and probably what some other people, you know, not that my business had anything to do with even raising money, much less being political, or social media would be concerned with being cut off or promoting violence, what it's the fact that they're looking at a contract and an arbitrary, one sided way, it's a contract of adhesion, you don't get a chance to negotiate it. And if you do start depending on them, what are they going to do? Just because the political winds go against you? Are you at car dealership chain, your car dealership chain, you deal with a lot of customers, you sign up with the CRM system, they decide that because the the dealerships that you represent don't have enough electronic vehicles, or electric vehicles, or hydrogen vehicles, or whatever solar powered vehicles, whatever is going on in the future, that they don't want to let you use their platform name anymore. In the meantime, you spent a decade with the company, buying them hundreds of 1000s of dollars, maybe even millions of dollars over the course of the 10 years that you've been with them. Plus, you've trained all of your employees on how to use it, to separate from them will it require you changing out the way that you do everything from interview a customer to do your accounting to pay your bills, to follow up on a customer if they bring a car in for service. And now you've got, you know, 70 $80,000 $100,000 and expenses to change plus the training for another $30,000 just for one of your 15 or 20 dealerships. So that's how this impacts people who are looking to do business that's just with dealerships. Maybe you're an insurance agency, maybe you're a real estate provider, they decide that they don't want to deal with real estate providers that are in the state of Texas, because Greg Abbott cancelled your mask mandate, it's got absolutely nothing to do with you. But they decided to renew you because you do not own the software, you're screwed, there's just no other way to say it, they're probably not gonna just cut you off in the middle of your contract, but it's your next renewal, which usually going to be only 12 months away, they're gonna cut you off. And if you've got a contract for longer than that, they're going to start to try to go after you for any little breach of service, any little term. So they're going to start analyzing anything any employee put into that system, even if they put in something as a joke. Even if they put in something, let's say that you're with salesforce.com,

Thomas Talleyrand 28:01
you have an employee sexually harass another employee, using their messaging system that they have for your employees. You obviously you're going to deal with that you fire the guy, but they say you didn't fire or the girl, I guess it could be both ways. They say you didn't do it quickly enough. And they use that for cars, because they're mad because Greg Abbott cat canceled the mask mandate. It's a slippery slope. I'm not saying that's for salesforce.com going, but it's what you have to prevent yourself from being exposed to chapter 38. From the very beginning of the contractual relationship between AWS and parlar AWS knew about parlours reactive methods for calling problematic content, as well as parlours community guidelines not once before January 9 2020. The de Ws express any concern that parlors policies and methods violated either the teeth, the AWS acceptable use policy, or the AWS customer agreement to the contrary, AWS actively led parler to believe that AWS considered parlours, policies and methods appropriate and consistent with AWS customer agreement 39 up until January 8 2020. Moreover, the relationship between parlour and AWS was a good one, with every indication it would continue into 2021 and beyond. For example, in September 2020 at AWS and parlour an email offering to finance parlor, as part of AWS is funding program for startups with high potential on November 10 2020. At AWS is invitation parlour CEO met with AWS representatives to explore the possibility of parlours long term engagement using AWS Excuse me AWS systems, more vendor lock, including a move to Amazon's proprietary database. This would require a great deal of investment and trust on parlours behalf, as it would have to specifically design portions of its software to work only with Amazon specific products. At that time, AWS knew there was a possibility that then President Trump might obtain a parlor account likely bringing with him a surge of followers to the parlor platform. What is more, around that time parlor had formed and formed AWS, that parlours initial test using AI to pre screen and appropriate content, including material that encouraged or incited violence or returning promising results? In mid December 2020, at the AWS representatives spoke with parlour representatives seeking to sell additional proprietary AWS services on which parlor might rely for its core functionality. Wow. All vendor lock core functionality. All these offers ridden with full knowledge of parlors existing systems for dealing with problematic content, something every social media platform has to deal with. So there's something in the law called waiver and estoppel. waiver and estoppel. I mean, AWS is way too there. This is the this is their argument from parlor, AWS, not only did they act inappropriately, how they also had waived portions of their contract. In the past, they have interpreted their contract in a certain way. And they so they should be stopped or unable to change the way that they word that contract or the way that they enforce that contract going forward. It's gonna that's always a hard one. They like waiver and estoppel with you know, people shoe and insurance companies, they're not that fond of it in these kind of relationships. However, this is the good fight portion that they're going to get to it and a little bit. AWS admitted to parler in an email on December 16th 2020, from an AWS technical account manager to parlors

Thomas Talleyrand 32:25
chief technical officer that the AWS manager used to receive more than a dozen report sick per hour per day for another customer and at Twitter's moving their timeline workload into AWS, which I can imagine will mean more abuse for Twitter to the AWS manager further stated that as far as any abuse reports regarding parlor were concerned, he was definitely in this journey with you to be sure AWS had from time to time sin parlor, problematic content, which parlor immediately investigated and resolved. The last such communication before January 6 2021, was on December 19 2020. As usual, parlor properly looked into the flag content, removing anything that might have been problematic. In addition, after that December 19 communication parlor took additional steps to facilitate any internally escalating problematic material, and parler continued testing a new AI based system that would screen problem problematic content before it was posted with plans to deploy the AI system in early 2021. On January 6 2021, AWS forwarded to parler a generic complaint about problematic content, but without any particular examples. That same day, parlours Chief Technology Officer responded, informing AWS that parler had been dealing appropriately with this content, including cooperating with law enforcement, and offer to get on a call to discuss the measure measures parler was taking. The next day January 7, AWS responded via email that the previous email was just for parlors information, and to consider the matter resolved. Thus before January 8 2020, parlor had no communication to the effect that AWS was considering parlor to have an ongoing problem. That parlours current and future plans for content moderation. Were deficient or the parlor was violating the user agreement. In fact, AWS had assured parlor precisely the opposite, inducing parlours ongoing reliance on AWS cloud services, giving all this I'm sorry, given all of this AWS is post hot claims. That booting parlor was a decision months in the making is false. See Ashley Stewart and Eugene Kim some Amazon employees are taking credit for parlors banned Business Insider. That's great article two. parlor is also a competitor of Twitter's and Facebook's. As all three provide a similar platform for users communicate with short messages, links and pictures. Like many social media platforms, parlours business model is not based on subscription fees parlours, also a competitor with Amazon, Twitter, Facebook and Google for internet advertising. In mid December 2020, AWS issued a press release announcing a new multi year deal with Twitter. Under the deal, AWS will provide global cloud infrastructure to deliver Twitter timelines. Paragraph 50. Twitter Moreover, will leverage AWS proven infrastructure and portfolio services to support delivery of millions of daily tweets. This isn't contrary to what they said in the federal lawsuit that AWS said that they wouldn't be handling tweets. This deal built on the company's more than a decade long collaboration where AWS continues to provide Twitter with storage compute, database and content delivery services to support its distribution of images, videos, and add content. What is more, together Twitter and AWS will create an architecture that extends Twitter's on premise infrastructure to enable them to seamlessly run and scale the real time service globally increased its reliability, and rapidly move new features into production around the world. But the one at the same time, parlor began to significantly increase its usership at the expense of Twitter and Facebook. After the election in November, the New York Times reported that millions have migrated to alternative social media and media sites like parlor. They have also thought that's the New York Times. In fact, less than a week after election day between November 3 and November 8 parlors app experienced nearly 1 million downloads.

Thomas Talleyrand 37:21
This resulted in parlor rocketing to the number one free app in the iOS store up from number 1023, just a week earlier. Likewise, in that same week, the parlor app went from 496th to first in Google Play rankings. Not surprisingly, the app was the 10th most downloaded social media app in 2020, with 8.1 million new installs for a lot of installs. Despite this increase in users, there is no evidence that parlor was used to coordinate the infamous attacks on the Capitol on January 6, in 2021 this trend, this is paragraph 52. Both continued and accelerated thanks to Twitter's and Facebook's announcement that they would permanently ban former President Trump from their platforms. As a result parlour saw installs increase in the United States by 355%. After Twitter's announcement conservative politicians and media figures began encouraging their followers to switch to parlor. They also chapter 53, speculation began to mouth that then President Trump would likewise move to parlour given the close to 90 million followers the President had on Twitter. This would be an astronomical boon to parlour and a heavy blow to Twitter. There is a huge study done that most of the error a large amount of the interactions on Twitter or related to Donald Trump over the last five years, and AWS official, who had known about the possibility that Trump might join parlor became increasingly inquisitive as to whether parlors CEO had heard whether that Trump would become an over and what would occur in the wake of Facebook and Twitter banning the former president. On Thursday morning January 7 2020. She asked parler CEO given Trump's exclusion from these other platforms, does he plan on joining parler on Friday morning, January 8 2021. She stated I see sean hannity said Trump has joined parlor. She then asked Is that true parlor CEO responded I believe Trump has an account, but it's not verified and incognito. Not certain to which the AWS representative responded no communication from his team. Not once did this AWS representative raise any concerns about problematic content on par? I want to stop right there. Nick croqueta on his site, points out some of that they might have been looking at this to know whether they were going to be able to sell more storage and more functionality or just needed to provide more functionality should Trump join parlour officially, I don't see it. As such a nice engagement, I see it as them testing the water to find out if Twitter was going to be negatively impacted by massac. So this and that it would really damage the Amazon Twitter relationship. You got to understand these companies are so symbiotic. They are parasitic, actually off of each other. It's kind of a weird relationship that they have, they all work with each other. They all decide with within each other's business relationship, how that they can monetize things together. But don't I'm not saying that. One person from each business unit gets on the phone and they conspire, saying that they work together in an effort theoretically to make things better for their customers. And it was working this way it's starting to not so given the context of parlours, flaming competitive threat to Twitter, as well as AWS, Google and Facebook, and given the fact that the Facebook and Twitter bans might not long muzzle the former President if he switched the parlor, potentially bringing 10s of millions of followers with him. AWS moved to shut down parlor shortly after Twitter announced it was banning then President Trump on January 8 of 2021, Google removed parlor from its google playstore a Google spokesperson falsely said that Google did so because of continued posting in the parlor app that seeks to incite ongoing violence in the US, which presents an ongoing and urgent public safety threat. This is false. This never happened. They go on to show how it didn't happen. did not happen.

Thomas Talleyrand 42:23
That is the other TechCrunch article. Banning parlour from google playstore was significant because the overwhelming majority of Android apps are found on that store. And the Google Play stores ban explanation was suspect that might cause enormous amounts of content inciting violence can be found on Facebook and Twitter. Yet Google did not remove these two apps from the Play Store. The next day, January 9 2021. At 6:07pm PST web news site, BuzzFeed posted an article with screenshots of a letter from AWS, the parlor informing parlor, that it service would be suspended at 1159 pacific standard time on Sunday, less than 30 hours later. This is the beginning of the end of parler. We're going to wrap it up right here for this episode. I'm going to start off at chapter 50. Or Yeah, paragraph 58. On page 20 of the lawsuit, we will link as always to the lawsuit and I will put up a rah rah transcript that I'll end up editing as time goes on. I want to roll out several more podcasts in the next few days. Hopefully, we can get right to them. If you are getting to enjoy spring break, have a good time Hope you're safe on your vacation to Texas or Florida because you're allowed to actually have a good time there. And you know, if you feel like it, wear a mask if you wear a mask wear and then 95 masks, be safe, put it on right Don't touch it. Don't wear it for more than an hour and social distance wash your hands. But never let the government to tell you to do any of that. The government does not have that authority. God bless you. We'll wrap this up on the next episode.

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Thomas Talleyrand 0:02
Hello, this is Thomas Talleyrand, and welcome to the PopulistCast

Hello ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Episode 10 in Episode 9, we discussed the salesforce.com entry into the censorships base. And I just want to circle back to that to steal from our worst press secretary in the history of the United States. But I'm actually going to circle back to it, I want to make sure that you understand what I'm trying to say. Veritas because salesforce.com for no reason that I can think of other than outright bigotry and discrimination is being canceled from salesforce.com, they could have hundreds of 1000s of dollars. Same thing with RNC who most certainly does have six figures tied up in salesforce.com, plus another six figures that they're being forced to spend, certainly in the $10,000 range, that they're being forced to bend to find another provider. So it's not just the game they provide, find another provider, they also have to pay for the implementation of the new software. So it's an interruption to their business services. And it'll be interesting to see, I don't know that it's legal to sue them, because I'm pretty sure that they have a right to terminate, but, but it's something you had to factor into when you are interviewing prospective vendors when you put out a request for proposal. And prospective vendors are trying to woo your business, you need to start having it written into these contracts, exactly what they're going to do, how they're going to treat language, what the difference, what the definition of words are. I mean, when you have to get down to they have to change the definition from inciting violence to potentially might kind of will incite violence, you need to get that all ironed out and in your contracts. Because most of these contracts are contracts of adhesion. think that if you can't get somebody that you trust, you're going to have to negotiate a better contract. Or possibly, you're going to have to go back to paper and pencil for contact relationship management, or outlook, which a lot of people and small businesses are going to are going to do now. salesforce.com pictures itself is an enterprise platform, it prices itself as an enterprise platform, but it spends a ton of resources and money on trying to woo small businesses. Small businesses are less than 500 employees. So they're not that small. And they make up most of the employer, employees, and employers and opportunity for growth. For companies like salesforce.com, it's just they're not as profitable as an enterprise sale. If you can go into landing a T Mobile account, let's say just use them, you know, you might end up with 10s of 1000s of seats just on one installation, versus trying to get at 10 seats at a time. So you can see where the the scale, you can see where the scale can m pack down their profitability. However, they're going to have to pay out the same kind of sales commission, it's just less effort once they get the product up and running. Now, that's usually negotiated out in price. So they're gonna pay a lot less per seat for a large company, Coca Cola, many fortune 500 company that might decide to use a CRM, they're going to pay less per seat once they negotiate it down. And that's going to be to their economies of scale also. Now, what are we going to discuss today, we're going to discuss the parlor versus Amazon lawsuit. And we'll see where we go from there. I want to keep this one short, get it out. It's the start of spring break. And ladies and gentlemen, thank you to Greg Abbott, for having the common sense

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to go with what the data is showing us and the data is showing us that first of all, masks don't seem to be working as well as they had hoped. And also that people are going to wear masks in heavily populated areas because they just have a common sense. Hey, it might help. Like I discussed before, like I say at the end of my podcast if you're gonna wear a mask, And then 95 do not wear a cloth mask, okay? There's possibly some health problems with that. It might be better than nothing. But if you had to wear masks for a long period of time, you don't you want something that's pretty high grade, you don't want to be breathing in a lot of small particles of cloth or paper into your lungs, you don't know what that's gonna do is those degrade over time? There are some studies that show that it might, might cause cancer. So I don't think we need the government to tell us what to do. I think we're all grown people. That's why in March, I started wearing a mask. It kills me to go to the store. I have severe asthma. like I've discussed before. But thank you, Greg Abbott, for not making it a government mandate. I noticed that in my town, everybody still wears a mask in a grocery store. No one wants to get anybody sick peer pressure. And education would do much more than lying to us. And trying to Gaslight us. It's just that simple. People, you know, when you make it a government mandate, you're impinging on our civil rights. The government doesn't have these rights. And just because a quarter rolls of courts have so far ruled in their favor doesn't mean that's going to be the way that it ends up. And just because the court rules something doesn't mean that it's properly decided. We have no further to look back to the Jim Crow law days, the days of separate but equal and even before that. So here we are dealing with a masculist, Texas that still somewhat masking up our numbers will probably be exactly what they were to begin with. That gets me into the parlor lawsuit. Let me go find it so I can read it to you. Now, this is going to be in state court. They dismiss their federal complaint. They had to with that judge, she was obviously unqualified, biased. And you know, to me, she sounded like she is crazy. Her rulings were not very good. They weren't bounded in law. And black, Nick ricotta says they probably killed Amazon. Excuse me, they probably killed Palor. parlor. Seems dead to me too. Just like Nick says when you go on there. It seems like there's nobody there. There's no community anymore. However, I think that this lawsuit is much better written just like Nick ricotta says. And, you know, hopefully this will lead to large judgment against Amazon. And enough that Amazon will start to treat their contracts seriously. Nature, the action defendants amazon inc. And its subsidiary, Amazon Web Services are a commercial Goliath. It goes on to talk about what their net worth is. talks about how they help parlor had a rising app on all the markets, expect parlors going to sue some other companies as well. The big thing that they get into is that they were a huge concern for Twitter. And they were a huge concern for Facebook. They would also probably be a huge concern for Parler, excuse me for Google, as they start to get into having more resources. Where were they going to get more Reese's resources from? Well, pretty seriously.

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Or, well, we learned that parlor was looking at going public that they had a business valuation of over a billion dollars. And as we know, with these type of blue sky companies that are social media companies, they tend to blow up in value, with just a slight aside that they might eventually be able to turn some kind of profit. Twitter is a case study in this. So a Snapchat, YouTube was not that popular until they were taken over by Google. So you know, that's what everybody bets on. They bet on one of the big vendors purchasing Google or Microsoft are somebody coming in and purchasing the next software so that they can cash out. It's how the market works. It's why these things are probably with what's called Blue Sky, blue sky is the value of a company of its goodwill, good name and cash. Cash flow that is not necessarily part of its net asset value. Its net asset value being the actual value of its contracts, its liabilities, its liabilities, its assets, its customer base, and its cash flow. So parlour was going to be able to go public, and if they were to go public, their valuation was brought to me about a billion dollars. That was prior to the millions of new users that they got and getting up to number one, and and both of the app stores parlor was prevented from getting online. And there's a lot of things we'll skip the introduction and the venue arguments. Get into the facts. parlours platform is not like Amazon's Twitter's, or Facebook's Twitter and Facebook, gather data on our users and sell it. And these tech giants also employ targeted advertising by leveraging user data, something they can charge advertise users more for see Stigler center for the past girlies inside the excitement's. I'm going to put a link to this in there. This goes on to talk about how there's a difference and the advertising scheme. And that parlor is also different in the way that it serves up its content, which is one of the reasons I don't think they're ever going to recover from this. However, had they been left in place, they would have been fine. But because of their business model, they can't take getting kicked off of all the platforms, they can't take being dark for one minute, much less for a month. more discussion about the direct messaging different between impressions and views. parlors internal data show that users are on parlor about 22 to 28 minutes a day. On average, and that is multiple sessions. Thus when there are hundreds of comments on a parlay few people spend the time to read through all the comments. This is talking about the about the way that they distribute their data again. Now, one thing that they get into that Southland very interesting is that the day before. On January 8 2020, AWS announced it was terminating parlor services. One of the top trends on Twitter was hang Mike pets with over 1000 I'm sorry 14,000 tweets. Hang my pants trends on Twitter after platform suspense Trump or risk of incitement for violence box news. A Los Angeles Times article also covered it.

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Violence inciting material is also continued to circulate on Twitter after AWS pulls parlor parlors plug with such post. Receiving lied play. For instance, noted critic of President Trump Alec Baldwin tweeted recently that he had a dream The EX president was on trial for sedition and a noose awaited him outside the courthouse. See angry Mark Miller, Alec Baldwin tweets about drain. At the time a screenshot was taken up for a new story it had over 1000 likes. On January 20, the daughter of the late Iranian general and terrorist qasem soleimani, who was killed in a US missile strike ordered by President Trump tweeted a threat that Trump will live in fear of foes indefinitely. a screenshot taken within 24 hours showed nearly 5000 likes and 2000 people tweeting about it. This is amazing. The President of the United States has kicked off a Twitter but they leave up a terrorist supporter. The top of violent content on Twitter is not new. It's the same stuff in a lot of ways as they did before. Kathy Griffith also reposted her bloody head of President Trump and the recent lawsuit was filed against Twitter, Twitter alleging that it refused to take down widely shared pornographic images and videos of a teenage sex trafficking victim because its investigation didn't find any violation of the company's policies. After Multiple complaints were filed with Twitter and actor the material had racked up over 167,000 views and 2200 retweets. Twitter responded, we reviewed the content and didn't find it a violation of our policies. So no action will be taken at this time. That's a federal offense to obtain child pornography to host child pornography. But it's okay with Twitter to do so. It took a federal agent from the Department of Homeland Security to remove the material from Twitter. You know what, let me back up. This is teenage sex trafficking victim I do not know that that's an under aged victim. So maybe that's what they're hanging their head on. It took a federal agent from the Department of security to remove the material from Twitter. Well, this article says Twitter refused to remove child porn because it didn't violate policies. That's a New York Post article. Further, as is well documented, some groups use Twitter to threaten or harass media members, Andy No, no, is always harassed on there by an Tifa members. We never see Twitter doing anything about it. Amazon itself also hosts significant amounts of content that incite violence, particularly on its own online store. For example, Amazon allowed people on its site to buy a shirt that right that states kill all Republicans, a listing that was even sponsored by Amazon, or one could have bought an Amazon t shirt, with a graphic image of former President Trump blowing his brains out. Likewise, Amazon long sold anti Trump paraphernalia with the message. Where is Lee Harvey Oswald now that we really need him? As Newsweek has pointed out, the neo nazi shirts worn by the proud boy supporters are sold on Amazon. Wow. At one time, Amazon allowed travelers to purchase Auschwitz themed towels, bottle openers or Christmas ornaments. Similarly, Amazon shoppers could buy Nazi propaganda such as anti semitic children's book, written by a member of the Nazi Party later executed for his crimes against humanity, or Hitler's mind cough. Me personally, I think that people ought to be able to read mine comp so that they can see what an evil person Hitler was. But still, that's why you have freedom of speech. In fact, so common is such material on Amazon that it has been condemned by the Council on American Islamic Relations for selling white supremacist material. Amazon defended selling such materials based on concerns about censorship, you can't make this crap up. And crime raiding crime rings have used Amazon to sell stolen goods. There's a North Texas fed site crime ring traveled us to steal retail goods and sell them on Amazon.

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I thought eBay was America's fence. Apparently Amazon is to that material being sold on Amazon that promotes violence is Legion. And while Amazon sometimes pulls some of this material, it is still up for some time often until someone out of Amazon brings it to Amazon's attention causing the Auschwitz Memorial Museum to comment that it appears people are taking upon themselves the job that Amazon should be doing. verifying the products that are uploaded there. Wow. That's pretty bad when the Auschwitz museum has to criticize you. That's for Amazon to accuse parlor for failing to police violent inciting material is worse than the pot calling the kettle black. It's a transparent subterfuge. This whole paragraph should have been in the original filing. You know that trigger judge might have realized that Amazon wasn't telling her the truth. Nor is Facebook immune. It knew it had problems with violent content on forums for like minded users called groups. And last August Facebook data scientist warned the company's executives that calls to violence are filling the majority of the platform's top civic groups. those groups are generally dedicated to politics and related issues and collectively reach hundreds of millions of users and enthusiasts that calls for violence every day filled 150 8000 member group. And in the weeks after the election, many large groups including some named in the August presentation, question the results of the vote organized protest about the results and helped indoctrinate the protest. That proceeded the riot. In fact, and a review of the charging documents of the 223 individuals under investigation by the Department of Justice for the January six riot, it was disclosed at 73 of those documents referenced Facebook, far more references than other social networks. What Google owned YouTube the second most direct referenced on 24 and Instagram, a Facebook owned company was next on 20. The data does strongly indicate Facebook was the rioters preferred platform and Facebook was known or has down its content moderation efforts were grossly inadequate for some time. Facebook's abject failure to police such content was confined in a 2020 survey by the anti defamation League, which discovered that the people who had suffered online hate and harassment 77 77% reported at least some of their harassment occurred on Facebook 27% reported experience are experiencing harassment or hate on twitter 8% on Google on YouTube, and 17%, on Instagram. Twitter is mostly a politically driven site. I mean, it started off as a great place to get news. It started off as an interesting place to talk about baseball or football with people that you knew. And then it grew into this. It's just filled with rage and hate at this point, mostly from the left, although people on the right are starting to get tired. Even I'm starting to get tired with people I told a lady that was arguing about the statistics on math mandates. That, you know, she's like, well, what did we learn from this argument and where you're showing us that they don't really seem to have any statistical need, you still ought to do it. I said, you know, what we've learned is that people, you know, like car are shallow thinkers, they only think about the first level of their first blush impression. I never think three things well, is there harm to people who have asthma, is there harm to people who have cancer, like the CDC website says, obviously, that could be a case and needs to be something that's at least accommodated for. If you know, I know when I wear a mask, my oxygen level can drop by as much as 10 points. One of the reasons that I am only able to go to the store maybe once in a day, sometimes it takes me the rest of the day to get over because of my respiratory system issues. So given the this is paragraph 35. Given the problems with

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violent content on Amazon, Facebook, Google, Twitter and other websites and apps, it's simply not accurate to suggest that parler had or has a disproportionately large problem with such content. Nor can AWS explanations for taking down parlor hold water. The stated reasons were pretextual designed to conceal AWS his true motives for canceling partner parlor, which were crushing economic competitor for both itself and a major client. See the AWS parlor relationship before January 8 of 2020 parlar contracted with AWS to provide cloud computing services parler needs for its apps and website to function on the internet. Further. Both the apps and the website were written to work with AWS technology as of January 8 2020. switching to a different service provider would require extensive work to migrate parlours platform meaning parlor would be offline for a financially devastating period. And AWS knew this. What is more, AWS sought this defendant relationship. It did so in part by repeatedly trying to sell parlor more services that would magnify parlours dependency on AWS making it hard to ever leave for another cloud service provider. In industry parlance, this is called vendor lock. This is one of the reasons that I discussed salesforce.com service. vendor lock is what every service providing businesses going to want to try to sell, or get their clients to achieve. So that it's just easier to do business with people you already have a good relationship with and you trust That's that's the whole idea. So you're violating that trust when you're making these arbitrary statements and arbitrary cancellations, like salesforce.com seems to be doing with rnc with Vera pass, and probably what some other people, you know, not that my business had anything to do with even raising money, much less being political, or social media would be concerned with being cut off or promoting violence, what it's the fact that they're looking at a contract and an arbitrary, one sided way, it's a contract of adhesion, you don't get a chance to negotiate it. And if you do start depending on them, what are they going to do? Just because the political winds go against you? Are you at car dealership chain, your car dealership chain, you deal with a lot of customers, you sign up with the CRM system, they decide that because the the dealerships that you represent don't have enough electronic vehicles, or electric vehicles, or hydrogen vehicles, or whatever solar powered vehicles, whatever is going on in the future, that they don't want to let you use their platform name anymore. In the meantime, you spent a decade with the company, buying them hundreds of 1000s of dollars, maybe even millions of dollars over the course of the 10 years that you've been with them. Plus, you've trained all of your employees on how to use it, to separate from them will it require you changing out the way that you do everything from interview a customer to do your accounting to pay your bills, to follow up on a customer if they bring a car in for service. And now you've got, you know, 70 $80,000 $100,000 and expenses to change plus the training for another $30,000 just for one of your 15 or 20 dealerships. So that's how this impacts people who are looking to do business that's just with dealerships. Maybe you're an insurance agency, maybe you're a real estate provider, they decide that they don't want to deal with real estate providers that are in the state of Texas, because Greg Abbott cancelled your mask mandate, it's got absolutely nothing to do with you. But they decided to renew you because you do not own the software, you're screwed, there's just no other way to say it, they're probably not gonna just cut you off in the middle of your contract, but it's your next renewal, which usually going to be only 12 months away, they're gonna cut you off. And if you've got a contract for longer than that, they're going to start to try to go after you for any little breach of service, any little term. So they're going to start analyzing anything any employee put into that system, even if they put in something as a joke. Even if they put in something, let's say that you're with salesforce.com,

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you have an employee sexually harass another employee, using their messaging system that they have for your employees. You obviously you're going to deal with that you fire the guy, but they say you didn't fire or the girl, I guess it could be both ways. They say you didn't do it quickly enough. And they use that for cars, because they're mad because Greg Abbott cat canceled the mask mandate. It's a slippery slope. I'm not saying that's for salesforce.com going, but it's what you have to prevent yourself from being exposed to chapter 38. From the very beginning of the contractual relationship between AWS and parlar AWS knew about parlours reactive methods for calling problematic content, as well as parlours community guidelines not once before January 9 2020. The de Ws express any concern that parlors policies and methods violated either the teeth, the AWS acceptable use policy, or the AWS customer agreement to the contrary, AWS actively led parler to believe that AWS considered parlours, policies and methods appropriate and consistent with AWS customer agreement 39 up until January 8 2020. Moreover, the relationship between parlour and AWS was a good one, with every indication it would continue into 2021 and beyond. For example, in September 2020 at AWS and parlour an email offering to finance parlor, as part of AWS is funding program for startups with high potential on November 10 2020. At AWS is invitation parlour CEO met with AWS representatives to explore the possibility of parlours long term engagement using AWS Excuse me AWS systems, more vendor lock, including a move to Amazon's proprietary database. This would require a great deal of investment and trust on parlours behalf, as it would have to specifically design portions of its software to work only with Amazon specific products. At that time, AWS knew there was a possibility that then President Trump might obtain a parlor account likely bringing with him a surge of followers to the parlor platform. What is more, around that time parlor had formed and formed AWS, that parlours initial test using AI to pre screen and appropriate content, including material that encouraged or incited violence or returning promising results? In mid December 2020, at the AWS representatives spoke with parlour representatives seeking to sell additional proprietary AWS services on which parlor might rely for its core functionality. Wow. All vendor lock core functionality. All these offers ridden with full knowledge of parlors existing systems for dealing with problematic content, something every social media platform has to deal with. So there's something in the law called waiver and estoppel. waiver and estoppel. I mean, AWS is way too there. This is the this is their argument from parlor, AWS, not only did they act inappropriately, how they also had waived portions of their contract. In the past, they have interpreted their contract in a certain way. And they so they should be stopped or unable to change the way that they word that contract or the way that they enforce that contract going forward. It's gonna that's always a hard one. They like waiver and estoppel with you know, people shoe and insurance companies, they're not that fond of it in these kind of relationships. However, this is the good fight portion that they're going to get to it and a little bit. AWS admitted to parler in an email on December 16th 2020, from an AWS technical account manager to parlors

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chief technical officer that the AWS manager used to receive more than a dozen report sick per hour per day for another customer and at Twitter's moving their timeline workload into AWS, which I can imagine will mean more abuse for Twitter to the AWS manager further stated that as far as any abuse reports regarding parlor were concerned, he was definitely in this journey with you to be sure AWS had from time to time sin parlor, problematic content, which parlor immediately investigated and resolved. The last such communication before January 6 2021, was on December 19 2020. As usual, parlor properly looked into the flag content, removing anything that might have been problematic. In addition, after that December 19 communication parlor took additional steps to facilitate any internally escalating problematic material, and parler continued testing a new AI based system that would screen problem problematic content before it was posted with plans to deploy the AI system in early 2021. On January 6 2021, AWS forwarded to parler a generic complaint about problematic content, but without any particular examples. That same day, parlours Chief Technology Officer responded, informing AWS that parler had been dealing appropriately with this content, including cooperating with law enforcement, and offer to get on a call to discuss the measure measures parler was taking. The next day January 7, AWS responded via email that the previous email was just for parlors information, and to consider the matter resolved. Thus before January 8 2020, parlor had no communication to the effect that AWS was considering parlor to have an ongoing problem. That parlours current and future plans for content moderation. Were deficient or the parlor was violating the user agreement. In fact, AWS had assured parlor precisely the opposite, inducing parlours ongoing reliance on AWS cloud services, giving all this I'm sorry, given all of this AWS is post hot claims. That booting parlor was a decision months in the making is false. See Ashley Stewart and Eugene Kim some Amazon employees are taking credit for parlors banned Business Insider. That's great article two. parlor is also a competitor of Twitter's and Facebook's. As all three provide a similar platform for users communicate with short messages, links and pictures. Like many social media platforms, parlours business model is not based on subscription fees parlours, also a competitor with Amazon, Twitter, Facebook and Google for internet advertising. In mid December 2020, AWS issued a press release announcing a new multi year deal with Twitter. Under the deal, AWS will provide global cloud infrastructure to deliver Twitter timelines. Paragraph 50. Twitter Moreover, will leverage AWS proven infrastructure and portfolio services to support delivery of millions of daily tweets. This isn't contrary to what they said in the federal lawsuit that AWS said that they wouldn't be handling tweets. This deal built on the company's more than a decade long collaboration where AWS continues to provide Twitter with storage compute, database and content delivery services to support its distribution of images, videos, and add content. What is more, together Twitter and AWS will create an architecture that extends Twitter's on premise infrastructure to enable them to seamlessly run and scale the real time service globally increased its reliability, and rapidly move new features into production around the world. But the one at the same time, parlor began to significantly increase its usership at the expense of Twitter and Facebook. After the election in November, the New York Times reported that millions have migrated to alternative social media and media sites like parlor. They have also thought that's the New York Times. In fact, less than a week after election day between November 3 and November 8 parlors app experienced nearly 1 million downloads.

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This resulted in parlor rocketing to the number one free app in the iOS store up from number 1023, just a week earlier. Likewise, in that same week, the parlor app went from 496th to first in Google Play rankings. Not surprisingly, the app was the 10th most downloaded social media app in 2020, with 8.1 million new installs for a lot of installs. Despite this increase in users, there is no evidence that parlor was used to coordinate the infamous attacks on the Capitol on January 6, in 2021 this trend, this is paragraph 52. Both continued and accelerated thanks to Twitter's and Facebook's announcement that they would permanently ban former President Trump from their platforms. As a result parlour saw installs increase in the United States by 355%. After Twitter's announcement conservative politicians and media figures began encouraging their followers to switch to parlor. They also chapter 53, speculation began to mouth that then President Trump would likewise move to parlour given the close to 90 million followers the President had on Twitter. This would be an astronomical boon to parlour and a heavy blow to Twitter. There is a huge study done that most of the error a large amount of the interactions on Twitter or related to Donald Trump over the last five years, and AWS official, who had known about the possibility that Trump might join parlor became increasingly inquisitive as to whether parlors CEO had heard whether that Trump would become an over and what would occur in the wake of Facebook and Twitter banning the former president. On Thursday morning January 7 2020. She asked parler CEO given Trump's exclusion from these other platforms, does he plan on joining parler on Friday morning, January 8 2021. She stated I see sean hannity said Trump has joined parlor. She then asked Is that true parlor CEO responded I believe Trump has an account, but it's not verified and incognito. Not certain to which the AWS representative responded no communication from his team. Not once did this AWS representative raise any concerns about problematic content on par? I want to stop right there. Nick croqueta on his site, points out some of that they might have been looking at this to know whether they were going to be able to sell more storage and more functionality or just needed to provide more functionality should Trump join parlour officially, I don't see it. As such a nice engagement, I see it as them testing the water to find out if Twitter was going to be negatively impacted by massac. So this and that it would really damage the Amazon Twitter relationship. You got to understand these companies are so symbiotic. They are parasitic, actually off of each other. It's kind of a weird relationship that they have, they all work with each other. They all decide with within each other's business relationship, how that they can monetize things together. But don't I'm not saying that. One person from each business unit gets on the phone and they conspire, saying that they work together in an effort theoretically to make things better for their customers. And it was working this way it's starting to not so given the context of parlours, flaming competitive threat to Twitter, as well as AWS, Google and Facebook, and given the fact that the Facebook and Twitter bans might not long muzzle the former President if he switched the parlor, potentially bringing 10s of millions of followers with him. AWS moved to shut down parlor shortly after Twitter announced it was banning then President Trump on January 8 of 2021, Google removed parlor from its google playstore a Google spokesperson falsely said that Google did so because of continued posting in the parlor app that seeks to incite ongoing violence in the US, which presents an ongoing and urgent public safety threat. This is false. This never happened. They go on to show how it didn't happen. did not happen.

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That is the other TechCrunch article. Banning parlour from google playstore was significant because the overwhelming majority of Android apps are found on that store. And the Google Play stores ban explanation was suspect that might cause enormous amounts of content inciting violence can be found on Facebook and Twitter. Yet Google did not remove these two apps from the Play Store. The next day, January 9 2021. At 6:07pm PST web news site, BuzzFeed posted an article with screenshots of a letter from AWS, the parlor informing parlor, that it service would be suspended at 1159 pacific standard time on Sunday, less than 30 hours later. This is the beginning of the end of parler. We're going to wrap it up right here for this episode. I'm going to start off at chapter 50. Or Yeah, paragraph 58. On page 20 of the lawsuit, we will link as always to the lawsuit and I will put up a rah rah transcript that I'll end up editing as time goes on. I want to roll out several more podcasts in the next few days. Hopefully, we can get right to them. If you are getting to enjoy spring break, have a good time Hope you're safe on your vacation to Texas or Florida because you're allowed to actually have a good time there. And you know, if you feel like it, wear a mask if you wear a mask wear and then 95 masks, be safe, put it on right Don't touch it. Don't wear it for more than an hour and social distance wash your hands. But never let the government to tell you to do any of that. The government does not have that authority. God bless you. We'll wrap this up on the next episode.

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