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1 Coaching with Sarah: Get your Inner Critic Out of the Driver’s Seat 56:37
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You don’t have to carry burnout alone. The right support can help you breathe again—start here: https://caitdonovan.com/coaching. Burnout recovery gets real as Sarah Vosen sits down with an anonymous guest who feels trapped by perfectionism, people-pleasing, and the voice of an inner critic that makes self-compassion feel out of reach. In this episode, she’s trying something different for the podcast: a real-time coaching session. Her guest “Kate” describes how burnout began with constant illness and eventually knocked her flat, leaving her exhausted and uncertain about how to move forward. Years later, Kate still feels caught in a loop of trial and error, trying new practices, hoping for change, and losing faith when nothing seems to last. How do you find the courage to say no before your body forces you to? And how do you begin to quiet the inner critic that insists you’ll never get better? Through thoughtful coaching, Sarah helps Kate see the fear of saying no for what it is: a strategy that once kept her safe but now keeps her stuck. She offers a new way to look at recovery, like a scale that can slowly tip away from self-judgment and toward self-compassion with each small act of courage. Along the way, Kate begins to see how even the tiniest pieces of evidence, moments of asking for help, choosing rest, or protecting her needs, can start to shift the balance. This conversation opens a window into the real work of burnout recovery. It’s messy and slow, but it’s also a practice of rediscovering your voice, setting boundaries that protect your energy, and remembering that even a flicker of hope is proof that change is possible. Episode Breakdown: 00:00 Real-Time Coaching on Burnout Recovery 02:26 Kate’s Burnout Journey and First Signs of Collapse 05:09 Career Uncertainty and Feeling Stuck 10:52 Battling the Inner Critic and Self-Judgment 12:38 Fear of Saying No and People-Pleasing Patterns 14:13 Rediscovering Passion for Storytelling and Audio 20:08 Hyper-Independence and the Struggle to Ask for Help 24:02 The Core Loop: Avoiding “No” to Feel Safe but Staying Stuck 33:00 The Burnout Recovery Process and the Unfried Program 43:03 Practicing Self-Compassion During Setbacks 49:41 Building Evidence for Growth and Recovery Links Hailey Page Magee episode Kristin Neff episode Your Burnt Out Brain Is Mean, And A Liar episode Connect with Cait: Initial Call with Cait Initial Call with Sarah You don’t have to carry burnout alone. The right support can help you breathe again—start here: https://caitdonovan.com/coaching. Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm…
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A podcast for drummers who think too much. Ben Hilzinger talks to the greats about creativity, identity, staying sane, and finding purpose behind the kit. Powered by Big Fat Snare Drum. For more inforamtion, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram.
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A podcast for drummers who think too much. Ben Hilzinger talks to the greats about creativity, identity, staying sane, and finding purpose behind the kit. Powered by Big Fat Snare Drum. For more inforamtion, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram.
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1 The Drum Panel: Your Mind's Ear 1:01:15
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Today on The Drum Panel, we’ve got Dave Elitch and Sarab Singh. Dave has worked with The Mars Volta, Weezer, The 1975, Justin Timberlake, and plenty more. Alongside his playing career, he’s become a sought-after instructor on body mechanics and the psychology of performing. He’s put out two online courses— Getting Out of Your Own Way and Staying Out of Your Own Way —that dive deep into how the body moves behind the kit. His brand-new online course, Your Mind’s Ear , shifts the focus to sound and gear. Check out all of his courses HERE ! Joining us is our good friend Sarab Singh. He’s an incredibly talented drummer based in Los Angeles and currently plays with MUNA. Beyond that, he’s one of the best hangs I know, and the perfect bridge between me and Dave. This isn’t just a promo. We cover a lot of ground as always—but Dave’s new course is the glue that holds today’s conversation together. Check out all of his courses HERE ! - Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and TikTok.…

1 Big Fat Five: Xavier Ware (Bilmuri) Shares His Top 5 Influential Records 58:16
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On this episode of Big Fat Five , I’m joined by drummer Xavier Ware. He’s currently out on the road with Bilmuri, and his playing is UNREAL—able to blaze with the kind of intensity that feels like he’s getting paid by the note, then pivot into a dynamic, nuanced jazz approach with left-foot finesse that I honestly can’t wrap my head around. Both of those styles live so far outside my own playing, which made this conversation especially exciting. We discuss where he learned the jazz language, how he breaks down the incredibly technical songs he’s known for, and his journey toward appreciating the small things. And ultimately, how you shouldn’t strive for perfect timing or playing, but that perfect feeling, for both you and the audience. XAVIER'S BIG FAT FIVE: - Artist – Nerve Album – Prohibited Beats Release Year – 2009 Key Track(s) – “Syncopath,” “Jabon,” “Far,” “7even” Drummer – Jojo Mayer Artist – Button Masher Album – The 16bit.Wav Release Year – 2020 Key Track(s) – “Siblings,” “Meta Knight's Revenge” (from Kirby Superstar ) Drummer – Midi Artist – Louis Cole Album – Quality Over Opinion Release Year – 2022 Key Track(s) – “Laughing in Her Sleep,” “I’m Tight,” “Failing in a Cool Way” Drummer – Louis Cole Artist – Sonny Rollins Album – East Broadway Rundown Release Year – 1966 Key Track(s) – “Front to Back” Drummer – Elvin Jones Artist – Yellowjackets Album – Blue Hats Release Year – 1997 Key Track(s) – “CapeTown,” “Statue of Liberty,” “New Rochelle” Drummer – Will Kennedy - Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and TikTok.…

1 Big Fat Five: Steve Goold (Drummer / Educator) Shares His Top 5 Influential Records 42:54
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I’ve been deep into working on the second book, which has me going back through a bunch of the older conversations. One that really stood out again was with Steve Goold . If you don’t know, Steve is actually the Steve of Steve’s Donut. He’s also played with Sara Bareilles, Owl City, Mat Kearney, and Scary Pockets, to name a few. But more than the resume, I was reminded how insightful he is. There’s this part where he talks about there being no neutral notes—like, every note carries weight, it’s never just filler. That idea has been rattling around in my head ever since I revisited the chat. Steve just put out his first release under his own name, a live recording called Solo Improvisations On Drumset , and you can watch the whole thing on YouTube HERE . STEVE'S BIG FAT FIVE: - Artist – Pearl Jam Album – Vs. Release Year – 1993 Key Track – “Go” Drummer – Dave Abbruzzese - Artist – Owsley Album – Owsley Release Year – 1999 Key Track – “Oh No the Radio” Drummer – Chris McHugh - Artist – Jeff Buckley Album – Grace Release Year – 1994 Key Track – “Mojo Pin” Drummer – Matt Johnson - Artist – Happy Apple Album – Body Popping – Moon Walking – Top Rocking Release Year – 2000 Key Track – “Where Does a Stranger Go on Christmas Eve?” Drummer – Dave King - Artist – Dogs of Peace Album – Speak Release Year – 1996 Key Track – “The Truth” Drummer – John Hammond - Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and TikTok.…

1 The Drum Panel: Every one of my friend's drum sets sounds better than mine. 48:46
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This Drum Panel episode picks up where we left off with Brendan Buckley (Shakira, Morrissey, Perry Farrell) and Gunnar Olsen (Puscifer, Mother Feather). If you missed Part 1, you’ll still follow along just fine—but it’s worth a listen. We dive right in with drummer nightmares before moving into bigger conversations about finding your own sound, overcoming roadblocks, and balancing identity as both artist and “brand.” Inside this episode: Drummer nightmares on stage – including Brendan’s Shakira story that started as a trio Bad advice worth ignoring – why “you need to play everything” isn’t always the path Finding your own voice – doubling down on what makes you unique instead of being a jack of all trades Hi-hat obsession – tone, touch, and why small changes shift the whole vibe Roadblocks and breakthroughs – Gunnar’s kick pedal “yips” and Brendan’s double bass practice insights Kit setups and identity – how your drum layout shapes your playing more than you think Brand vs. authenticity – do drummers really need to market themselves, or is being great enough? ——— Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and TikTok.…

1 The Drum Panel: Your electrician is my favorite drummer 53:43
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This Drum Panel brings together Brendan Buckley—drummer for Shakira, Perry Farrell, Morrissey, and more—and one of my closest friends, Gunnar Olsen of Puscifer, Mother Feather, Big Data, and ME to chat about... ...the difference between what works in the practice room and what works in an arena, charting versus memorizing, and how to respect the composition before making it your own. Brendan breaks down the “Shakira machine” and why clarity and projection beat busy parts when you’re playing to the back row. We also cover deep-dive listening versus casting a wide net, Bowie’s Berlin era, and the time Brendan’s electrician turned out to be one of my favorite drummers—and his too. It’s equal parts practical advice, music history, and great road stories from working drummers. Inside this episode Arena truth: kick, snare, crashes beat ghost-note soup The DW stainless kit that keeps coming back on tour Shakira’s camp, subs, and how Brendan plans for “what if” Learning 30 songs fast: charts, anchors, and staying calm Deep-dive listening vs playlists, plus Bowie and Prince talk The Alan Myers story and why “mic-friendly” drums matter ——— Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and TikTok.…

1 The Drum Panel: What do you mean you like what I do? 45:33
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Welcome back to The Drum Panel ! Featuring: Ben Hilzinger (me!) , Joe Lana Jr. (@thecowboydrummer) , and Eric Urrea (Marina City) Inside this episode: Why Creators Struggle to Accept Compliments The Trap of Overthinking Content Creation Balancing Comedy, Drumming, and Self-Worth Online When Do You Feel Like a Drummer vs. an Impostor? The Subtle Art of Playing Soft and Why Grip Debates Are Overrated --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram , Facebook , Twitter, and TikTok.…

1 Cain Daniel (Jesus Molina) Shares His Top 5 Influential Records 29:58
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Welcome back to Drummers on Drumming , a podcast powered by Big Fat Snare Drum. I’m Ben Hilzinger , and this is another installment of Big Fat Five —where I ask my favorite drummers (and, honestly, just favorite people) to break down the five records that shaped how they approach the instrument. Today’s guest is Cain Daniel . You might’ve caught him on a recent episode of The Drum Panel, but this time he’s here for the Big Fat Five treatment. I first saw Cain play with Jesus Molina, and his creativity, clarity, and confidence behind the kit instantly stood out in the sea of drum videos I scroll through every day. He’s an LA-based drummer, a Berklee College of Music grad, and in recent years he’s played with Chappell Roan, Derek Hough, Engelbert Humperdinck, and plenty more. So let’s get into the five records that helped shape Cain Daniel into the drummer he is today. And while this isn’t a Drum Panel episode, we still take a few fun side quests along the way. CAIN'S BIG FAT FIVE: Artist - Dave Weckl Album - Master Plan Release Year - 1990 Drummer - Dave Weckl - Artist - Dave Matthews Band Album - Busted Stuff Release Year - 2002 Key Track - " Grey Street" Drummer - Carter Beauford - Artist - Tigran Hamasyan Album - Mockroot Release Year - 2015 Drummer - Arthur Hnatek - Artist Rufus & Chaka Khan Album - Stompin’ at the Savoy Release Year - 1983 Drummer John "JR" Robinson - Artist - Tower of Power Album - Back to Oakland Release Year - 1974 Key Track(s) - " Don’t Change Horses (In the Middle of a Stream)" Drummer - David Garibaldi - HONORABLE MENTIONS: Artist - Avishai Cohen Album - Gently Disturbed Release Year - 2008 Drummer - Mark Guiliana - Artist - Dirty Loops Album - Loopified Release Year - 2014 Drummer - Aron Mellergard --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram , Facebook , Twitter, and TikTok.…

1 The Drum Panel: You’re totally not a mound of dirt 1:02:23
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Ben (me..hi!), Mark Stepro (The Wallflowers) and Eric Urrea (Marina City) talk about the gear that go away... Our favorite BAD recordings How to stay in love with drumming when it’s also your job When to say yes to a gig—and when to walk away Should you charge for prep time? And how much is your time actually worth? Why some “Instagram drummers” aren’t your competition—and that’s fine --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram , Facebook , Twitter, and TikTok.…

1 Big Fat Five: Marcus Finnie (Drummer/Composer/Educator) Shares His Top 5 Influential Records 48:26
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This week’s installment of Big Fat Five features Marcus Finnie …a proud Memphis native now based in Nashville and he’s one of the most respected session drummers and educators around. His credits span genres and include icons such as Donna Summer, Billy Preston, Larry Carlton, Keb Mo, Taj Mahal, Lady A, and many more. He’s also played on multiple grammy winning and grammy nominated records. I recently went down a rabbit hole watching his clinics and he was too insightful and talented NOT have on the show. So here we go. I hope you enjoy the records that helped shape Marcus Finnie into the impactful musician he is today. --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram , Facebook , Twitter, and TikTok.…

1 The Drum Panel: Gunnar Sounds Great! 40:04
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In this PART 2 episode of The Drum Panel , I’m yet again joined by drummers Gunnar Olsen (Puscifer, Big Data) and Eric Urrea (Marina City) for a deep dive into the internal lives of drummers — the anxiety, the self-doubt, the flow states, and the fears we rarely talk about. Today we discuss: The adrenaline of live shows How we learn songs Reoccurring drummer nightmares The power of simple praise Content creation as practice Drummer swap fantasies The burden drummers carry Looking ahead for The Drum Panel --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram , Facebook , Twitter, and TikTok.…

1 The Drum Panel: Debby Boone Pat Pat 53:43
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In this episode, The Drum Panel returns with ME ( Ben Hilzinger ), alongside my co-host Eric Urrea (Marina City), Gunnar Olsen (Puscifer, Bruce Springsteen, Mother Feather) for a roundtable discussion on all things drum. Today we discuss: How Gunnar personalizes drum parts for legacy bands like Eve 6 while still respecting the original recordings The balance between improvisation and replication—what “respecting the instrument” really means Dream gear: Lars Ulrich’s ...And Justice for All Tama kit and Herb Alexander’s wild setup from “My Name Is Mud” Behind the scenes of the Primus / Puscifer / A Perfect Circle tour and being at the center of major drum world headlines Josh Freese’s quiet exit from Foo Fighters mid-tour and what Gunnar learned from watching him handle it with grace and intensity The surreal story of getting the call to play on a Bruce Springsteen record How much creative freedom Gunnar gets with Puscifer and how each tour takes on its own sonic identity Navigating feedback in the studio vs. live gigs—and why the context always matters Gunnar’s candid reflection after a rough wedding gig and how it reignited his desire to practice Blending live drums with electronic stems: what Gunnar calls the “hip-hop show” approach The mysterious phenomenon of “next day clarity” when learning new songs and why the brain needs rest Overcoming overthinking, performance anxiety, and “the yips”—and the importance of showing yourself grace Why not playing for a while might be the best practice you didn’t know you needed 'My Name Is Mud' Video - DRUM PICS --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram , Facebook , Twitter, and TikTok.…

1 The Drum Panel: The Schelp is Real...I'm Happy? 55:20
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In this episode, The Drum Panel returns with ME ( Ben Hilzinger ), alongside my co-host Eric Urrea (Marina City), Cain Daniel (Jesus Molina, Derek Hough) for a roundtable discussion on all things drum. Today we discuss: How we get out of a creative rut Redefining success — how your goals change as you grow Self-work — therapy, breathwork, and staying sane on the road Live performance as meditation — the balance between awareness and letting go Gear stories that hurt Pushing back on bad adviceIf your younger self saw you now… — the reality vs. the fantasy Insurance tips every musician should know (seriously) --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram , Facebook , Twitter, and TikTok.…

1 The Drum Panel: Taste Is Fake, but My Feelings Are Real 44:17
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In this episode, The Drum Panel returns with ME ( Ben Hilzinger ), alongside my co-host Eric Urrea (Marina City), Max Flanders (Lukas Nelson), and Dean Sinclair (Capital Soirée, Worry Club, Ostin) for a roundtable on the ever-fragile topic of taste . Today we discuss: How to handle unsolicited feedback without spiraling into existential dread The delicate balance between self-expression and being hireable Whether “good taste” is something you're born with—or can develop That awkward moment when a producer tells you to “play something you’re already playing” Learning to interpret non-drummer feedback without losing your mind The anxiety of showing people your work… and how to move past it Whether your teenage influences are a crutch… or your secret weapon Developing your own voice in a world full of technically perfect drummers—and incoming AI Overcoming “red light syndrome” in the studio and learning to groove under pressure This one is for anyone who's ever questioned their taste, their technique, or their place in the industry. It’s funny, raw, and packed with perspective. --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram , Facebook , Twitter, and TikTok.…

1 Big Fat Five: Ari Hoenig (Drummer / Educator) Shares His Most Influential Records 30:42
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My guest today is Ari Hoenig — drummer, composer, educator, and all-around wizard behind the kit. Ari is known for his melodic, almost vocal approach to the drums, especially his ability to bend pitch and bring out distinct note choices on the instrument in a way that sounds nearly impossible. He’s collaborated with artists like Chris Potter, Kurt Rosenwinkel, Joshua Redman, and many others, but it’s his own solo work that really puts a spotlight on his creative spirit. In this episode, Ari walks through five records that helped shape his unique voice — from the expressive swing of Papa Jo Jones to the unconventional phrasing of Thelonious Monk. We also dive into Ari’s early classical roots, why Keith Jarrett changed his musical DNA, and how he began developing his signature melodic drumming approach. Hope you enjoy the five records that shaped Ari Hoenig into the deeply expressive and fiercely original musician he is today. Join Ari's Patreon HERE ARI'S BIG FAT FIVE: Artist – Keith Jarrett Album – Belonging Release Year – 1974 Key Track – "Spiral Dance" Drummer – Jon Christensen - Artist – Jo Jones Album – The Jo Jones Trio: The Everest Years Release Year – 1959 Key Track – "Philadelphia Bound" Drummer – Jo Jones - Artist – Kenny Garrett Album – Trilogy Release Year – 1995 Key Track – "Wayne's Thing" Drummer – Brian Blade - Artist – Miles Davis Album – Nefertiti Release Year – 1968 Key Track – "Nefertiti" Drummer – Tony Williams - Artist – Thelonious Monk Album – Monk's Dream Release Year – 1963 Key Track – "Monk's Dream" Drummer – Frankie Dunlop --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram , Facebook , Twitter, and TikTok.…

1 Big Fat Five: Billy Martin (Medeski, Martin & Wood) Shares His Most Influential Records 54:23
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This week’s guest is Billy Martin ... a world-renowned drummer, educator, visual artist, producer, and author. He has collaborated with some of the best, including (but certainly not limited to) John Scofield, John Zorn, Iggy Pop, Natalie Merchant, Flea and many more. Still, many people know him best for his work with Medeski, Martin & Wood, alongside John Medeski and Chris Wood. If you enjoy this episode, please go check out Billy’s interview with Mike Dawson on the Drum Candy podcast titled “Improvising and Cultivating a Creative Mindset”. I recently re-watched his anti-instructional film, Life on Drums , and I can’t recommend it enough. It's essentially a series of conversations between Martin and his first drum teacher, Allen Herman. These discussions delve into topics such as soloing, time, tone, phrasing, free playing, and so much more. Interspersed throughout are some pretty rad solo and duet performances…all filmed with a cinematic aesthetic. So check that out if that interests you. Right off the bat, we dive into the topic of soloing — something Billy encourages all drummers to do first thing when they sit behind the kit (even if just for five minutes), before jumping into the records that shaped him into the remarkable musician he is today. BILLY'S BIG FAT FIVE: Artist - Peter Tosh Album - Legalize It Release Year - 1976 Key Track - "Legalize it" Drummer - Carlton "Santa" Davis, Carlton Barrett - Artist - Stevie Wonder Album - Talking Book Release Year - 1972 Key Track - "Superstition" Drummer - Stevie Wonder - Artist - Dr. John Album - Gris Gris Release Year - 1968 Key Track - "Mama Roux" Drummer - John Boudreaux - Artist - John Coltrane Album - Interstellar Space Release Year - 1974 Key Track - "Jupiter Variation" Drummer - Rashied Ali - Artist - Charles Mingus Album - Mingus Ah Um Release Year - 1959 Key Track - "Better Git It In Your Soul" Drummer - Dannie Richmond - Artist - Lil' Kim Album - Hard Core Release Year - 1996 Key Track - "Queen Bitch" Artist - Wu-Tang Clan Album - Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) Release Year - 1993 Key Track - "Wu-Tang: 7th Chamber - Part II - Conclusion" Drummer - RZA (producer / beat maker) --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram , Facebook , Twitter, and TikTok.…
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1 The Drum Panel: Pocket, Pep Talks & Paris Regrets 48:39
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Welcome back to Drummers on Drumming , powered by Big Fat Snare Drum. In this part two episode, I continue my deep-dive chat with co-host Eric Urrea (Marina City) — picking up right where last week’s marathon conversation left off. Today we discuss: The most useful failures musicians face (and how to reframe them) Why “pocket” means something different on every gig Learning to own your voice — whether as a hired gun or band member How to stay mentally and physically sane while on the road Why doing non-music things on tour actually fuels your art We open up about imposter syndrome, ADHD, burnout, and what it really takes to balance creativity with professionalism. --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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1 The Drum Panel: Master Rights, Mid-Gig Panic, and the Myth of “Making It” 44:01
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Welcome back to Drummers on Drumming , powered by Big Fat Snare Drum . In this episode of The Drum Panel , I’m joined by my co-host Eric Urrea (Marina City) for a laid-back but honest conversation about drumming, the music industry, self-worth, and everything in between. We had originally planned to bring on a guest, but when that fell through, we decided to just catch up and hit record—which, honestly, ended up being exactly what we needed. Today we discuss: A belief we both held about drumming early on that we’ve since let go of. Why learning kick drum patterns is my first step when tackling new material. The very real anxiety of walking into a new gig and playing in front of a band for the first time. Our approach to charting vs. memorizing —and why it changes depending on the situation. Whether drummers deserve songwriting credit and how we navigate that conversation. The difference between publishing and master rights , and what every drummer should understand about the business. Our evolving definitions of “making it” as working musicians. How our instruments can feel like both a source of pride and frustration—and how that ties into self-worth . The constant push-pull between confidence and impostor syndrome , and how we deal with it. If you’re navigating your own creative path, juggling multiple projects, or just trying to stay inspired through the ups and downs, I think this episode will hit home. --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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1 The Drum Panel: Trash Can Lids, Technique Traps, and Amateur Traits 38:16
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Welcome back to Drummers on Drumming , powered by Big Fat Snare Drum. In this episode of The Drum Panel , host Ben Hilzinger is joined by Sterling Laws and Fred Eltringham for an insightful roundtable on all things DRUM. Meet the Panelists: Sterling Laws : Grammy-nominated drummer from the Pacific Northwest, now based in Los Angeles, known for collaborations with Olivia Rodrigo, Kim Gordon, and more. Fred Eltringham : Nashville-based drummer, a mainstay with Sheryl Crow since 2012, with credits including The Wallflowers, The Chicks, and kd lang. In today's episode, we discuss: Dream pieces of gear from music history. Albums they wish they could have witnessed being recorded. Balancing technique and groove, and the idea that overemphasis on technique might mask a lack of feel. Essential, budget-friendly gear they rely on. Personal experiences of re-evaluating their approach to the drum set. Common drumming advice they find questionable, such as rigid techniques or creative limitations imposed by producers. Trends in drumming they're eager to see fade. Identifying traits that distinguish amateur drummers in live settings, like cymbal choices and hi-hat control. --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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1 Big Fat Five: David Garibaldi (Tower of Power) Shares His Top 5 Influential Records 40:13
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Welcome back to Drummers on Drumming …a podcast powered by Big Fat Snare Drum. I’m back with another installed of Big Fat Five — a segment of the podcast where we dive into the five records that shaped the way great drummers approach their craft. My name is Ben Hilzinger and today’s guest is someone whose playing and educational work has impacted me personally in a big way. David Garibaldi is not only the legendary drummer of Tower of Power, but his book Future Sounds has been one of my go-to practice tools ever since my good friend Sarab Singh first turned me onto it. In this conversation, David shares the five records that shaped his unmistakable sound and approach to rhythm. I’m so honored to have him on — let’s get into it. I hope you enjoy my chat with David Garibaldi. Cheers! --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. DAVID'S BIG FAT FIVE: Artist - Count Basie Album - Breakfast Dance and Barbeque Release Year - 1959 Drummer - Sonny Payne - Artist - Sly & The Family Stone Album - Whole New Thing Release Year - 1967 Key Track(s) " Underdog," "If This Room Could Talk" Drummer - Greg Errico - Artist - Aretha Franklin Album - Aretha Live @ The Fillmore West Release Year - 1971 Drummer - Bernard Purdie - Artist - The Meters Album - Look-Ka Py Py Release Year - 1969 Key Track(s) " Looka-Py-Py," "Rigor Mortis" Drummer - Joseph "Zigaboo" Modeliste - Artist - James Brown Single - "I Got The Feelin'" Release Year - 1968 Drummer - Clyde Stubblefield - HONORABLE MENTIONS: Artist - Maceo & All The King's Men Album - Doing Their Own Thing Release Year - 1970 Drummer - Melvin Parker Maceo Parker Album - Made By Maceo Release Year - 2003 Drummer - Jamal Thomas Artist - Ray Barretto Album - Que Viva La Musica Release Year - 1972 Key Track - Alafia Cumaye Timbales - Orestes Vilato Artist - Herbie Hancock Album - Maiden Voyage Key Track - Maiden Voyage Release Year - 1965 Drummer - Tony Williams Artist - Miles Davis Album - Four and More Release Year - 1966 (Recorded in 1964) Drummer - Tony Williams Elvin Jones...all his recordings...(especially McCoy Tyner's album Inception ) ...and MANY more... For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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1 Big Fat Five: Jacopo Volpe (Post Malone, Salmo, Damiano David) Shares His Top 5 Influential Records 24:28
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We’re back with another installment of the Big Fat Five —where I invite on a drummer that inspires me to break down the five records that shaped their voice behind the kit. My name is Ben Hilzinger and today’s guest is Jacopo Volpe . Born and raised in Italy, Jaco has played with Vanilla Sky , Post Malone , Damiano David , The Bloody Beetroots , Salmo , Portugal. The Man , and a bunch more. He’s got power, chops, groove, and the kind of confidence that only comes from playing on the biggest stages in the world. I’ll let Jaco tell you more about his journey, but for now, let’s dive into the five records that helped shape who he is behind the kit. Cheers. --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. JACO'S BIG FAT FIVE: Artist - Elton John Album - Night and Day Concert - Live at Wembley Release Year - 1984 Key Track(s) - "Crocodile Rock;" "I’m Still Standing" Drummer - Nigel Olsson - Artist - Toto Album - Toto Live in Paris Release Year - 1990 Key Track(s) - "Rosanna." "Hold The Line" Drummer - Jeff Porcaro - Artist - Stevie Ray Vaughan Album - Live from Austin, Texas Release Year - 1995/1997 Key Track(s) - "Texas Flood," "Cold Shot" Drummer - Chris Layton - Artist - Blink-182 Album - The Mark Tom and Travis show Release Year - 2000 Key Track(s) - "Dumpweed," "Don’t Leave Me," "Mutt" Drummer - Travis Barker - Artist - Foo Fighters Album - Echoes, Silence, Patience & Grace Release Year - 2007 Key Track - "The Pretender" Drummer - Taylor Hawkins For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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1 The Drum Panel: From Garibaldi to Game Show 51:30
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Welcome back to The Drum Panel —a roundtable-style discussion on all things drums. This week, I’m joined—as almost always—by my co-host Eric Urrea, and today’s special guest is Jeremy Taggart: longtime drummer for Our Lady Peace and co-host of the Taggart and Torrens podcast, where he blends his love of music, comedy, and all things Canadian. At the end of the day, we’re just good buddies—and those are the kinds of people I like to have on The Drum Panel . This episode kicks off in the middle of a little rant I was having about a recent encounter with David Garibaldi… which, if you stick around long enough, you just might hear for yourself. Let’s hop in. Cheers. In this episode, we discuss: Jeremy’s dream piece of music memorabilia The records he wishes he could’ve been a fly on the wall for Making peace with not keeping every skill sharp—and choosing what to let slide to serve your personal sound Singing while drumming A round of Word Association And of course…Trivia! --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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1 Big Fat Five: Sam Cohen (Glitter Party) Shares His Top 5 Influential Records 40:40
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What is up!? We’re back with another installment of Big Fat Five , where I invite on drummers who’ve inspired me to break down the five records that helped shape their unique voice behind the kit. This week’s guest is Sam Cohen —a Canadian drummer who, much like Marco Kleebauer a few weeks back, popped up on my Explore Page and instantly caught my ear. Sam also makes music under the name Glitter Party —a solo pop project he writes, records, and mixes entirely in his home studio up in Toronto. It’s raw, nostalgic, catchy, and perfectly saturated—DIY in the best sense of the word. He does a great job of setting up his backstory and artistic approach right at the top of our chat, so I’ll shut up—for now. Hope you enjoy the five records that shaped Sam Cohen into the musician he is today. Cheers! Check out all of Sam's links HERE SAM'S BIG FAT FIVE: Artist - Amy Whinehouse Album - Back to Black Release Year - 2006 Key Track - " He Can Only Hold Her" Drummer - Homer Steinweiss - Artist - James Brown Album - Star Time Release Year - 1991 Key Track - " I Got The Feelin'" Drummer - Clyde Stubblefield, Jabo starks, Melvin Parker - Artist - Al Green Album - Lets Stay Together Release Year - 1972 Key Track - " Lets Stay Together" Drummer - Al Jackson Jr - Artist - The Band Album - Music from Big Pink Release Year - 1968 Key Track - " The Weight" Drummer - Levon Helm - Artist - John Coltrane Album - Giants Steps (mono) Release Year - 1960 Key Track - " Countdown" Drummer - Art Taylor --- Get Your Copy of the my book Drummers on Drumming Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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What is up?! Welcome back to Drummers on Drumming — a podcast powered by Big Fat Snare Drum. My name is Ben Hilzinger, and today’s episode is a little different. A few months ago, I was sent a book by drummer and educator Mark Feldman — founder of Bang! The Drum School . The book is called Drumming Decoded: The Secret Code to Quickly Go From Newbie to Confident Drummer . It’s a relatively quick read at around 180 pages, but it’s surprisingly comprehensive. Now, I usually try to steer clear of too much “insider baseball” on this podcast because I want everyone to feel part of the conversation. That said, I also realized I haven’t really addressed beginner drummers directly in a lot of my content. So I brought Mark on not only to promote his book (which I do recommend — link’s in the show notes), but also to have a conversation about building a solid foundation from day one. And while this book and convo are definitely geared toward novice drummers, there are a ton of takeaways that can help any drummer — no matter where you're at in your journey. So, whether you’re just picking up sticks for the first time or you're revisiting the fundamentals, I hope you dig this episode. Even if you think you’ve heard it all before... you might just grow a little more. Here’s to the beginners — keep going. You got this! Check out Bang! The Drum School HERE Snag your copy of Drumming Decoded HERE --- ALSO...Get Your Copy of the my book Drummers on Drumming Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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1 The Drum Panel: What IS Rock?, Social Anxiety & "Networking" as a Drummer 51:15
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Episode 13 of The Drum Panel Welcome to The Drum Panel—a show where a rotating group of professional drummers engages in roundtable discussions pertaining to all things DRUM. For today's panel, we have my co-host Eric Urrea and special returning guest, Mike Robinson . Today we discuss: What the hell does it mean to be "rock"? Dealing with social anxiety and imposter syndrome while trying to network for your career. Why the word "networking" is gross --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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1 Big Fat Five: Marco Kleebauer (Drummer/Producer) Shares His Top 5 Influential Records 54:49
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This is another installment of Big Fat Five , a segment where I ask some of my favorite drummers to break down five records that had a major impact on their approach to music. This week, I’m joined by Marco Kleebauer —an Austrian drummer and producer who very recently popped up on my Instagram Explore page… and instantly peaked my interest. His drumming is minimalist yet experimental, and his analog-leaning recording approach is exactly the direction I want to explore with my own sound. This is just another reason I love doing this podcast—I get to discover someone new, connect with them, and then bring them to your attention, too! Go check out his website HERE where you can purchase his original music, grab some drum break packs, and explore playlists featuring artists he’s either collaborated with or who’ve used his drum breaks in their own music. And some exciting news… Marco is releasing a book called Notes on Drum Recording by the end of this year. It’s all about how to record drums in a small, less-than-ideal room—which, let’s be honest, is the reality for most of us (myself included). So be sure to follow him on Instagram—not only for a bunch of reasons you’ll soon discover, but also to stay updated on the book’s release. Marco dives into his backstory right at the top of our chat, so I’ll get out of the way. But I implore you to listen to the entire episode—he sprinkles some very tasty nuggets throughout. Alright, here are the five records that helped shape Marco Kleebauer into the highly sought-after producer and drummer he is today. Cheers! Check out his website HERE Follow him on Instagram HERE MARCO'S BIG FAT FIVE: Artist - The Beatles Album - Revolver Release Year - 1966 Key Track - "Tomorrow Never Knows" Drummer - Ringo Starr - Artist - Led Zeppelin Album - Led Zeppelin 1 Release Year - 1969 Key Track - "Good Times Bad Times" Drummer - John Bonham - Artist - Jimi Hendrix Album - Are You Experienced Release Year - 1967 Key Track - "Fire" Drummer - Mitch Mitchell - Artist - Silver Apples Album - Silver Apples Release Year - 1968 Key Track - "Program" Drummer - Danny Taylor - Artist - Flaming Lips Album - The Soft Bulletin Release Year - 1999 Key Track - "Race for the Prize" Drummer - Steven Drozd --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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1 Big Fat Five: Dee Simone (Doechii, Alison Wonderland, Madame Gandhi) Shares Her top 5 Influential Records 44:37
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This is another installment of Big Fat Five , a segment where I ask some of my favorite drummers to break down five records that had a major impact on their approach to music. Today, I’m joined by Dee Simone , a Bay Area-raised dummer currently based in Los Angeles. She’s funky, powerful, dynamic, and incredibly versatile behind the kit. I have to give credit where it’s due—this interview wouldn’t have happened without Bill Burr . I was listening to his podcast when he gave a glowing review of Doechii’s recent Tiny Desk Concert for NPR, specifically shouting out Dee’s playing. For those who don’t know, Bill is a fantastic drummer himself, so that endorsement sent me down a rabbit hole of Dee's performances. Obviously, I have zero regrets. Dee has shared the stage with an impressive list of artists, including Doechii , Alison Wonderland , and Madame Ghandi to name a few. She’s done a lot, yet she remains humble and hungry, and this was a really fun conversation. Read Dee's Shoutout LA Feature HERE DEE'S BIG FAT FIVE: Artist - John P. Kee Album - The New Life Community Choir feat. John P. Kee Not Guilty - The Experience Release Year - 2000 Key Track - “Rain On Us,” "Right Here,” “I Do Worship” Drummer - Calvin Rodgers - Artist - The Roots Album - Things Fall Apart Release Year - 1999 Key Track - “The Next Movement,” “Act Too (The Love Of My Life,” “You Got Me” Drummer - Questlove - Artist - Kim Burrell Album - Live In Concert Release Year - 2001 Key Track - “I’ll Keep Holding On,” “Holy Ghost,” “Anything” Drummer - Calvin Rodgers & Robert “Sput” Searight - Artist - Beyoncé Album - HOMECOMING: THE LIVE ALBUM Release Year - 2019 Key Track(s) - “Life Ev’ry Voice and Sing,” “Sorry,” “Bow Down,” “You Don’t Love Me (No, No, No)” Drummer - Venzella Joy Williams - Artist - Thundercat Album - Apocalypse Release Year - 2013 Key Track - “Lotus and the Jondy,” “Heartbreaks + Setbacks,” “Without You” Drummer - Thomas Pridgen --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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1 The Drum Panel: Self-Promotion, Authenticity in Pop Gigs, and the Double Pedal Dilemma 41:23
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Episode 12 of The Drum Panel Welcome to The Drum Panel—a show where a rotating group of professional drummers engages in roundtable discussions pertaining to all things DRUM. Today, we've got two fantastic guests joining the conversation: First up is Eric Leiderman . Eric is a producer at Late Night with Seth Meyers , where for years he oversaw the rotating drummer chair—regularly bringing in incredible drummers to fill in with the 8G Band when bandleader Fred Armisen couldn't be there. Eric’s done a ton to elevate the drumming community, and we’re stoked to have him on. We're also joined by Neal Daniels , an amazing drummer who's worked with artists like Liz Phair, LP, and Matchbox Twenty. Neal always brings thoughtful perspectives to the panel, and we’re excited to have him back. Today we discuss: How can drummers authentically promote themselves online without feeling fake? How do we maintain our artistic voice while making a living playing pop gigs? Is recording yourself the key to growth? Should every drummer learn double pedal? How can drummers practice self-compassion? Which historic recording session would you have loved to witness? --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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1 Big Fat Five: Fred Eltringham (Sheryl Crow) Shares His Top 5 Influential Records 45:39
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This week’s guest is Fred Eltringham ! If you listened to our recent episode with Sterling Laws , you heard Fred get a lot of love as one of Sterling’s five picks—so it was an honor to finally have him on the show himself. And I gotta say…his voice is so soothing and calm. Puts mine to shame. Fred has been playing with Sheryl Crow since 2012, but his résumé also includes The Wallflowers, The Chicks, kd lang, Willie Nelson, Gigolo Aunts, Juliana Hatfield, Ben Kweller , and plenty more. He’s a steady, calm ship at sea behind the kit, and it seems like songwriters line up around the block to work with him. In addition to his international touring with Sheryl, you can catch him on Instagram whenever he’s doing something cool in Nashville —especially with Jules Belmont , as part of their tasty little instrumental group. So, please enjoy my chat with Fred Eltringham about the five records that shaped him into the musician he is today. As promised… CLICK HERE for Fred’s current play-along playlist… Cheers! --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. FRED'S BIG FAT FIVE: Artist - Led Zeppelin Album - Led Zeppelin I Release Year - 1969 Key Track(s) - " Good Times, Bad Times," "Dazed and Confused" Drummer - John Bonham - Artist - The Beatles Album - Abbey Road Release Year - 1970 Key Track(s) - " Come Together," "You Never Give Me Your Money," "Polythene Pam," "She Came In Through The Bathroom Window," "Golden Slumbers," "Carry That Weight," "The End" Drummer - Ringo Starr - Artist - Squeeze Album - Singles Release Year - 1989 Key Track(s) " Pulling Mussels," "Tempted" Drummer - Gilson Lavis - Artist - Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers Album - Greatest Hits Release Year - 1993 Key Track(s) " The Waiting," "Last Dance With Mary Jane," "Free Fallin" Drummers - Stan Lynch, Phil Jones - Artist - Sheryl Crow Album - Sheryl Crow Release Year - 1996 Key Track(s) - " If It Makes You Happy," "Sweet Rosalyn," "Home" Drummers - Michael Urbano, Brian Macleod, Jim Keltner, Pete Thomas - Any Honorable Mentions? Lucinda Williams - Car Wheels on a Gravel Road (Donald Lindley on drums) / Essence (Jim Keltner on drums) Mitch Mitchell - The Jimi Hendrix Experience Buddy Miles - Band of Gypsys Jim Keltner - All things: Steely Dan, Leon Russell, John Lennon, George Harrison, Traveling Wilburys Jim Gordon - Sessions, Leon Russell, Harry Nilsson Harry Nilsson - The Point (John Guerin on drums), Nilsson Schmilsson (Jim Gordon on drums) Charlie Watts - All things Rolling Stones Keith Moon, Kenny Jones (The Faces) - The Who: Who's Next , Tommy , Live from the Isle of Wight , It's Hard Nick Mason - Pink Floyd Gary Mallaber - Steve Miller Band Greatest Hits 1974–78 Levon Helm - The Band Alex Van Halen Dave Houghton - Joe Jackson's Look Sharp Dave Grohl - Anything he drums on Queens of the Stone Age - First 3 albums: Nick Lucero, Gene Trautmann, Dave Grohl, Alfredo Hernández Steve Jordan / Charley Drayton - X-Pensive Winos: Live at the Palladium , Main Offender Stevie Wonder - Songs in the Key of Life , Innervisions Prince - Dirty Mind through Diamonds and Pearls Roger Hawkins - Muscle Shoals / Sessions / Aretha Franklin: The House That Jack Built , Respect Russ Kunkel - Joni Mitchell, James Taylor, Linda Ronstadt, Carole King The list goes on and on and on...I've reached max characters! For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram , Facebook , Twitter, and TikTok.…
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1 Records That Define the 70's Drum Sound 52:29
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This week’s episode is going to be a little different. I’m starting a new, perhaps self-indulgent series where I pose a question on the Big Fat Snare Drum Instagram and make an episode out of your responses. Maybe it’ll stick. Who knows?…but these are the conversations I have with my musician friends anyways, so now I’m just pushing record. The first question posed was “which records helped define the 70’s drum sound?”. We got A LOT of responses and opinions were certainly shared (THANK YOU!) Ihad to shave a 5,000 hour playlist down to a handful of songs. Then, I called up my good buddy and amazing drummer, Jake Reed , to chat with me about his views on 70’s recording techniques and listen to the songs with me. Please enjoy! --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram , Facebook , Twitter, and TikTok.…
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1 Big Fat Five: Chris "Woody" Wood (Bastille) Shares His Top 5 Influential Records 50:10
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Welcome back to Drummers on Drumming , the podcast powered by Big Fat Snare Drum. This is another segment of Big Fat Five , where I invite my favorite drummers to break down the five records that shaped their approach to the instrument. Today, I’m joined by my friend Chris “Woody” Wood, drummer for the internationally loved band, Bastille. Since exploding onto the scene with Bad Blood in 2013, Bastille has become a staple of modern alt-pop— balancing sweeping, atmospheric moments with massive sing-along choruses . Woody’s playing is a perfect example of how space, groove, and feel can elevate a song without ever getting in the way—something especially crucial in an arena-sized band like Bastille. But make no mistake, he still finds his moments, keeping his playing fresh, musical, and relevant for well over a decade. Beyond the kit, Woody is just a hilarious and thoughtful dude. He even co-hosts his own podcast, Away Days w/ Woody and Piers , a comedic deep dive into the world of away football fandom. We get into all of that and more—while uncovering the five records that shaped him into the drummer he is today. --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. CHRIS' BIG FAT FIVE: Artist - Red Hot Chili Peppers Album - Californication Release Year - 1999 Key Track - " Scar Tissue" Drummer - Chad Smith - Artist - Queens Of The Stone Age Album - Songs For The Deaf Release Year - 2002 Key Track(s) - " Hangin' Tree," "Millionaire" Drummer - Dave Grohl - Artist - Smashing Pumpkins Album - Mellon Collie and The Infinite Sadness Release Year - 1995 Key Track(s) - " Jelly Belly," "Bullet With Butterfly Wings" Drummer - Jimmy Chamberlin - Artist - Mars Volta Album - Deloused In The Comatorium Release Year - 2003 Key Track(s) - " Inertiatic ESP," "Cicatraz ESP" Drummer - Jon Theodore - Artist - Nate Smith Album - ANYTHING HE PLAYS ON For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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1 The Drum Panel: Mental Health > Paradiddles, Signature Sticks and Dream Lessons 50:56
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Episode 11 of The Drum Panel Welcome to The Drum Panel—a show where a rotating group of professional drummers engages in roundtable discussions pertaining to all things DRUM. For today's panel, we have my co-host Eric Urrea and special guest, Britt Bowman (Demi Lovato, KiNG Mala, Meg Myers, Royal and the Serpent, Toni Cornell). Today we discuss: What’s the one piece of gear you’ve held onto the longest—and why? Are signature drumsticks a genuine advantage or just a marketing ploy? If you only had one hour per week to practice, how would you maximize your progress? Is it more beneficial for your creativity to immerse yourself in one album for a full week or explore a new record every day? Why every drummer needs a creative outlet outside of their career. How mental health directly impacts your drumming—and what to do about it. --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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1 Big Fat Five: Ian Matthews (Kasabian) Shares His Top 5 Influential Records 45:12
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Welcome back to Drummers on Drumming , the podcast powered by Big Fat Snare Drum. This is another segment of Big Fat Five , where I invite my favorite drummers to break down the five records that shaped their approach to the instrument. Today, I’m joined by Ian Matthews, drummer for the "future rock" band Kasabian —a group that, like many of the greats, enjoys massive success outside the U.S. while somehow remaining criminally underrated stateside. With eight studio albums and a reputation for explosive, anthemic live shows, Kasabian has been shaping the sound of modern rock for decades. And at the heart of it all? Ian Matthews—the powerhouse engine behind their dynamic and electrifying sound. We cover a lot in this conversation—stuff that will help any drummer level up their playing and presence on the kit. I also want to mention something special: If you've listened to The Drum Panel recently, you know I’ve talked about a certain project from November 2024 that I was really stoked about. Well, Ian was one of my main inspirations for those sessions. This one meant a lot. Enjoy the five records that shaped Ian Matthews into the drummer he is today. --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. IAN'S BIG FAT FIVE: Artist - Buddy Rich Album - Live At Ronnie Scott’s Release Year - 1972 Key Track - "Time Being" Drummer - Buddy Rich - Artist - Leo Sayer Album - Endless Flight Release Year - 1976 Key Track - " When I Need You" Drummer - Jeff Porcaro, Steve Gadd, Rick Shlosser, Nigel Olsson, Ed Greene, - Artist - Dave Brubeck Album - Time Out Release Year - 1959 Key Track - " Take 5," "Blue Rondo á la Turk" Drummer - Joe Morello - Artist - Iron Maiden Album - Live After Death Release Year - 1985 Key Track - "Aces High" Drummer - Nicko McBrain - Artist - Steely Dan Album - Aja Release Year - 1977 Key Track - " Aja," "Home At Last" Drummer - Steve Gadd, Bernard Purdie, Jim Keltner, Rich Moratta, Ed Greene For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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1 Big Fat Five: Jason Gerken (Shiner, Hum, Molly McGuire) Shares His Top 5 Influential Records 35:17
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Today, we’ve got another segment of the podcast called Big Fat Five . This is where I invite my favorite drummers on the show to break down the five records that helped shape their approach to the instrument. Our guest today is Jason Gerken , a Kansas City-based drummer known for his work with Molly McGuire, Shiner, Open Hand, Project 86, and most recently, Hum. After our episode with Jared Shavelson a few weeks ago, I got a flood of DMs from people thanking me for introducing them to Jason’s drumming on The Egg by Shiner. I knew I had to get him on ASAP. Jason’s drumming carries so much weight—in every sense of the word. I know a lot of my friends were especially looking forward to this one, so here you go. I hope you all enjoy the five records that shaped Jason Gerken into the drummer he is today. --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. JASON'S BIG FAT FIVE: Artist - Chicago Album - IX Release Year - 1975 Key Track - Beginnings Drummer - Danny Seraphine - Artist - Rush Album - Moving Pictures Release Year - 1981 Key Track - Red Barchetta Drummer - Neil Peart - Artist - Jimi Hendrix Experience Album - Essentials 1&2 Release Year - 1967 Key Track(s) - " If 6 Was 9" and other B-sides Drummer - Mitch Mitchell - Artist - Yes Album - Fragile Release Year - 1971 Key Track - Heart of the Sunrise Drummer - Bill Bruford - Artist - Government Issue Album - You/Crash Release Year - 1987 Key Track - Jaded Eyes Drummer - Peter Moffett - HONORABLE MENTIONS: Artist - Bitch Magnet Album - Umber Release Year - 1989 Key Track - Navajo Ace Drummer - Orestes Delatorre - Artist - Steely Dan Album - The Royal Scam Release Year - 1976 Key Track - Green Earrings Drummer - Bernard Purdie - Artist - Bastro Album - Diablo Guapo Release Year - 1989 Key Track - Sing the Troubled Beast Drummer - John McEntire - Artist - Helmet Album - Strap It On Release Year - 1992 Key Track - FBLA Drummer - John Stanier For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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1 The Drum Panel: Defining Success, Underrated Drummers, and the Gear We Love (That’s Not a Drum) 44:04
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Episode 10 of The Drum Panel Welcome to The Drum Panel—a show where a rotating group of professional drummers engages in roundtable discussions pertaining to all things DRUM. For today's panel, we have my co-host Eric Urrea and special guest, Jessica Burdeaux (Covet, City Mouth, Host of Reverb.com's "What's That Sound?" series on YouTube). Today we discuss: How do we get into the mindset of authentically emulating grooves? Thinking like a producer: Approaching drumming with overdubbing and auxiliary percussion in mind. What’s a style of music you feel you should know more about? How do you decide when to cut yourself off from outside influences? What’s your favorite piece of music gear that isn’t a drum or cymbal? If you could play one iconic groove perfectly, what would it be? Who are some drummers you think are underrated right now? How do you currently define success as a drummer? Are koalas marsupials? As promised... Josh Freese Jason Gerken Casey Deitz Valerie Franco Ulf Mickael Wahlgren --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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1 Big Fat Five: Jared Shavelson (Joyce Manor, Seal, Mariachi el Bronx, Ways Away, The Hope Conspiracy, Boysetsfire, Paint It Black, Chuck Ragan) 37:49
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Today, we’ve got another segment of the podcast called Big Fat Five . This is where I invite my favorite drummers on the show to break down the five records that helped shape their approach to the instrument. This format also inspired my book, Drummers on Drumming , which is available now as a paperback or ebook on Amazon. Today’s guest is Jared Shavelson . I met Jared through a mutual buddy and Big Fat Five alum, Mike Robinson. Jared is the real deal. He studied jazz in college but left early to kickstart his career—and it’s safe to say that decision paid off. Over the years, he’s played with Seal, The Bronx, Mariachi El Bronx, Joyce Manor, The Hope Conspiracy, Paint It Black, The Aquabats, and so many others. I just saw him perform with Mariachi El Bronx on New Year’s Eve, opening for Morrissey at The Palladium. He was playing a cocktail kit, and the Afro-Cuban rhythms he was laying down were absolutely insane—I was completely blown away. Now, we were supposed to record this a few days ago, but life in LA had other plans. Between the fires and travel chaos, it was hard to pin down a time. Jared ended up flying out of Los Angeles Thursday night, only to get stuck in Atlanta during a snowstorm when his flight was canceled. After being stranded at the airport for 18 hours, he decided to help pass the time by hopping on the mic with me. That’s why the audio in this episode might be a little rough—picture Jared huddled in the corner of a busy terminal while we recorded. --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. JARED'S BIG FAT FIVE: Album - Led Zeppelin 1 Artist - Led Zeppelin Release Year - 1969 Key Track(s) - Good times bad times / How Many More Times Drummer - John Bonham - Album - Time Out Artist - Dave Brubeck Release Year - 1959 Key Track(s) - Take Five / Kathy’s Waltz Drummer - Joe Morello - Album - Alice In Chains Unplugged Artist - Alive in Chains Release Year - 1996 Key Track(s) - Nutshell / No Excuses / Down in a Hole Drummer - Sean Kinney - Album - Out of Step Artist - Minor threat Release Year - 1984 Key Track(s) - Betray Drummer - Jeff Nelson - Album - The Egg Artist - Shiner Release Year - 2001 Key Track(s) - The Egg / Surgery / Andalusia Drummer - Jason Gerken For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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1 The Drum Panel: 2024's Biggest Wins, Unexpected Lessons, and the Stack Debate 42:53
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Episode 9 of The Drum Panel Welcome to The Drum Panel—a show where a rotating group of professional drummers engages in roundtable discussions pertaining to all things DRUM. For today's panel, we have my co-host Eric Urrea and special guest, Kris Mazzarisi (owner/founder of Big Fat Snare Drum & drummer for Winnetka Bowling League ). Today we discuss: What was the most game-changing moment in your drumming or musical journey this year? Which performance, session, or project from this year holds a special place in your heart—and what made it so meaningful? What’s one surprising thing you discovered about yourself as a musician this year? Did any piece of gear or tool unexpectedly transform your playing this year? Share your story! Hot take: Is spending more than $100 on a stack just plain unnecessary? Time to settle the debate—Is Buddy Rich a legend or just overhyped? Let’s get it out there: What are some of your biggest drumming pet peeve? Listen to 500 Anõs by La Armada HERE Check out Kris' cute little digital recorder HERE --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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1 Excerpts from My Book: Drummers on Drumming, Part 1 34:07
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Ok, I promise I won’t be promoting my book forever—but give me at least a few weeks to talk about it (I’m proud of it!). And hey, the sooner you grab a copy, the sooner you’ll stop feeling guilty... and, well, left out. In this episode, I read a few excerpts from my new book, Drummers on Drumming . You’ll hear stories and song choices from incredible drummers like Jason McGerr, Madden Klass, Jojo Mayer, Noa Kahn, Andrew Marshall, Michael Benjamin Lerner, and Brendan Buckley. These highlights give you a taste of the insights and inspiration you’ll find in the book. I hope you enjoy these glimpses into the creative minds of today's top players. --- Get Your Copy of the ' Drummers on Drumming' Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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1 The Drum Panel: Our Guilty Pleasures, Drum Trolls, and the IG Cheating Debate 1:03:58
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Episode 8 of The Drum Panel This week, Eric (@ericsurrea) is back!...alongside our newest bestie George Martinez (@skinnygeorge). In this episode, we dive into: Are ghost notes the modern-day equivalent of skinny jeans—cool now but overdone? How do you strike the right balance between technical precision and feel in your playing? Are dynamics the single most important factor in making a drummer sound great? Why is it so challenging to produce a high-quality drum part on the spot? Are tambourines and shakers actually more essential than toms? What are the guilty-pleasure drum songs we secretly love to play but would never admit to? Is a rubber practice pad less effective than a gel pad or pillow for improving your playing? Are self-taught drummers at a disadvantage in the long run? What’s the best way to handle trolls in the drumming community? Is quantizing your Instagram drum videos considered cheating? --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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1 The Drum Panel: Audition Advice, Anecdotes, and Staying Hired—Thriving in the Touring Industry with Elias Mallin & Stacy Jones 1:09:54
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Episode 7 of The Drum Panel This week, we're joined by Stacy Jones (Miley Cyrus, Letters to Cleo, American Hi-Fi) and Elias Mallin (Kesha, Noah Cyrus, Filter)—two seasoned veterans of the touring music industry and influential figures in shaping the competitive LA music scene. This episode steps away from our usual bullet-point list of hot takes and dives into a bigger-picture conversation about what it really takes to build and sustain a career in live music. We cover everything from technique tips and tuning tricks to staying mentally sharp during performances, audition dos and don’ts, and plenty of honest stories about the ups and downs of auditions and live shows. Special thanks to Patches Sound for hosting us! --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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1 Big Fat Five: Sterling Laws (NIKI, Natasha Bedingfield, Matt Berninger) Shares His Top 5 Influential Records 36:28
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Welcome back to Big Fat Five —a segment of Drummers on Drumming brought to you by Big Fat Snare Drum, where I chat with my favorite drummers about the stories and records that shaped their sound. I’m your host, Ben Hilzinger, and this week’s guest is the incredible Sterling Laws . Sterling is a fellow Pacific Northwest native now based in Los Angeles, but more importantly, he’s a Grammy-nominated drummer whose resume is as impressive as it gets. He’s worked with artists like Olivia Rodrigo , Kim Gordon , Chappell Roan , NIKI , Matt Berninger , Liz Phair , The War on Drugs , Linda Perry , Aly & AJ , Lo Moon , Dave Stewart , and many more. Sterling is out there doing the thing and still manages to bring a unique perspective to the kit while working with such a diverse roster of artists—a quality that’s both rare and inspiring. It’s exactly why I was so excited to talk to him. --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. STERLING'S BIG FAT FIVE: Album - Badmotorfinger Artist - Soundgarden Release Year - 1991 Key Track(s) - Rusty Cage, Searching With My Good Eye Closed, Jesus Christ Pose Drummer - Matt Cameron - Album - In Rainbows Artist - Radiohead Release Year - 2007 Key Track(s) - 15 Steps, Bodysnatchers, Weird Fishes, Reckoner Drummer - Philip Selway - Album - Future Self Artist - The Globes Release Year - 2011 Key Track(s) Pigeon, Stay Awake, A Stitch Couldn't Save The World Drummer - Marcus Ourada - Album - Boxer Artist - The National Release Year - 2007 Key Track(s) - Mistaken For Strangers, Brainy, Apartment Story Drummer - Bryan Devendorf - Album - Live From The Ryman And More Artist - Sheryl Crow Release Year - 2019 Key Track(s) - A Change Would Do You Good, Everything Is Broken, Maybe Angels, If It Makes You Happy Drummer - Fred Eltringham For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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1 Ilan Rubin (Nine Inch Nails, Danny Elfman, Angels & Airwaves): Start Somewhere To Go Somewhere 42:31
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Welcome back to Drummers on Drumming ! Today, I’m thrilled to share a conversation with a true force in modern drumming—Ilan Rubin. You’ve heard his incredible work behind the kit with artists like Nine Inch Nails, Danny Elfman, Angels & Airwaves, Paramore and so many more. But Ilan is not just an outstanding drummer; he’s also a passionate educator, and his latest project proves just that. He’s recently released his instructional book, Start Somewhere to Go Somewhere , and trust me, it’s not just another drum method book. In this episode, we certainly discuss the book, but we dive deep into Ilan’s philosophy on practice and technique in a way that I personally haven’t heard him talk about before … and why he felt compelled to share his unique perspective in an already crowded field of drum education. I have the book and ive been able to spend some more time with it since recording this episode and I can say first hand, it’s worth it. So without further ado…here is my chat with the youngest rock n roll hall of fame inductee, Ilan Rubin. --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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1 The Drum Panel: The Ultimate Compliment, Jazz Study—Essential or Overrated?, and Is the Band Drummer Era Over? 48:58
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Episode 6 of The Drum Panel This week's guests are two of my favorite drummers and people, Sarab Singh (MUNA) and Adam Christgau (Tegan and Sara). In this episode, we dive into: What’s the greatest compliment a drummer can get, and does it truly matter? How do others really describe your playing style—are you sure you'd agree? Should every drummer dive into jazz, or is it a skill only some truly need? Has the golden era of iconic bands come to an end, or is it just evolving? Are music schools churning out technical robots at the cost of creative souls? Is practicing on pillows with heavy sticks a hidden secret or just a myth? Are quintuplets and sextuplets essential or a complete waste of practice time? --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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1 Big Fat Five: Lucy Ritter (Chappell Roan) Share Her Top 5 Influential Records 40:22
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We’ve got another installment of Big Fat Five: a segment where I talk to drummers about the stories and records that shaped their sound. Today’s guest is Lucy Ritter , a New York/New Jersey native who picked up the drums at just 9 years old and was already landing professional gigs by 14. After three years at the Jacobs School of Music at Indiana University, she made the bold decision to leave and join her first major tour: the Broadway musical An Officer and a Gentleman. That gig opened doors, eventually leading to her being offered the drum chair for the Grammy Award-winning musical Jagged Little Pill. These days, Lucy has stepped away from the Broadway scene and taken on an exciting new role as the drummer for one of today’s fastest-rising pop acts, Chappell Roan. We dig into how she landed that gig and explore the five records that have profoundly influenced her drumming style. This episode has been a long time coming, so let’s dive in. I hope you enjoy my conversation with the incredibly talented Lucy Ritter... cheers! --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. LUCY'S BIG FAT FIVE: Album - A Love Supreme Artist - John Coltrane Release Year - 1965 Key Track(s) - Pt. II - Resolution & Pt. III - Pursuance Drummer - Elvin Jones - Album - Earfood Artist - Roy Hargrove Release Year - 2008 Key Track(s) - Strasbourg / St. Denis, The Stinger, Mr.Clean Drummer - Motez Coleman - Album - Grow Artist - Chon Release Year - 2015 Key Track(s) - But / all of them Drummer - Nathan Camarena, Brian Evans, Matt Garstka - Album - Live at Velfarre Artist - Earth, Wind & Fire Release Year - 1996 Key Track(s) - In The Stone, September, Let Your Feelings Show, Let’s Groove Drummer - Sonny Emory - Album - Take Off Your Pants and Jacket Artist - Blink-182 Release Year - 2001 Key Track(s) - 3 Drummer - Travis Barker For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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1 The Drum Panel: Timeless Drum Tones, AI’s Impact, Advice We’d Give Our Younger Selves, and More... 42:45
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Episode 5 of The Drum Panel This week's guests are my co-host Eric Urrea (Marina City / Sessions) and good buddy Kris Mazzarisi (owner/founder of Big Fat Snare Drum ). SUBMIT YOUR CONTROVERSIAL MUSIC OPINIONS HERE In this episode, we dive into: If you could reinvent one aspect of your drumming, what would it be, and why? What's the one piece of advice you wish you'd known as a young drummer starting out? How important is style to a drummer’s career—can visuals be as impactful as skill? What ingredients create a drum tone that stands the test of time? Have we lost the ability to have a hit song without the use of a click? With AI's influence growing, what do you think drumming will look like in the near future? Is the quest for 'perfect' recordings draining the soul out of live music? Why do so many drummers gravitate toward intricate playing—are we losing the groove? --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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1 Big Fat Five: Jesse Boyle (Chase Atlantic) Shares His Top 5 Influential Records... 40:05
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Today I’m joined by Jesse Boyle , my good buddy and the drummer for the boundary-pushing band Chase Atlantic . Known for blending genres like alternative, R&B, and electronic music, Jesse’s unique approach drives the pulse behind Chase’s immersive live soundscapes. We’ll dive into the top five influences that shaped his drumming and musical journey and we get into a newer career he’s started…all because he gave himself permission. I think it’s important for everyone to stay tuned through the end of the episode. --- Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today! 🎯 Click here to order now! Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit. JESSE'S BIG FAT FIVE: - Album - Reggatta De Blanc Artist - The Police Release Year - 1979 Key Track(s) - Message in a Bottle, Walking On the Moon Drummer - Stewart Copeland - Album - By The Way Artist - Red Hot Chili Peppers Release Year - 2002 Key Track(s) - By the Way, Don’t Forget Me Drummer - Chad Smith - Album - Only by the Night Artist - Kings of Leon Release Year - 2008 Key Track(s) - Closer, I Want You Drummer - Nathan Followill - Album - The Colour and The Shape Artist - Foo Fighters Release Year - 1997 Key Track(s) - My Hero, Everlong Drummer - Dave Grohl / William Goldsmith - Album - TOTO IV Artist - TOTO Release Year - 1982 Key Track(s) - Rosanna Drummer - Jeff Porcaro For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram .…
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