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Episode 261-Bang or Bong or Maybe Both? 19:35

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Episode 261-Bang or Bong or Maybe Both? Also Available On Searchable Podcast Transcript Gun Lawyer — Episode 261 Transcript SUMMARY KEYWORDS Supreme Court, marijuana, gun laws, Second Amendment, New Jersey, carry permit, sensitive places, federal court, gun violence, national reciprocity, red flag laws, mental health, gun rights, ammunition, online sales. SPEAKERS Teddy Nappen, Speaker 2 Teddy Nappen 00:15 I’m Teddy Nappen, and welcome to Gun Lawyer. Now, I promised everyone my father would be back, and sure enough, he was back. And because he was on vacation, obviously, he got sick, and of course, he lost his voice. So, unless we wanted him on here, and you know, coughing up a lung and him, you know, having this turned into an ASMR of him whispering Gun Law, let’s let him recover. Don’t worry. He’ll more than likely be back next week. Till then, let’s let him rest. But for now, we have some news to discuss. Teddy Nappen 00:59 So, the Supreme Court, this comes from the AP News, the Supreme Court is considering whether people who regularly smoke pot can legally own guns. This comes from an article written by Lindsay Whitehurst. (https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-marijuana-guns- e86c342bf248c7822722ad027980b72b) The Supreme Court said Monday that it will consider whether people who regularly smoke marijuana can legally own guns. Latest firearm case to come since, well, the Bruen decision. So, I want to highlight the impact, again, the hammer of Bruen, thanks to St. Justice Thomas, where we are slowly smashing and working our way through the various gun laws. And just to highlight the fact that, look, you can say what you will about marijuana, okay? It’s not the cure all, but it does have its benefits. And it’s just so prevalent, but you’ve got to focus on the fact this is about freedom and not allowing the federal Government to take away people’s rights. Because it’s all over the place, okay? And that comes up a lot, with a lot of clients. A lot of people are smoking weed. And as my father publishes and puts out there and has, very much, everyone uses it now as a coined term, “Bang or Bong. You can’t have both.” Teddy Nappen 02:17 Well, the Supreme Court heard that, and now they’re going to figure out, can you actually have it? So, President Donald Trump’s Administration has asked justice to revive the case of the Texas man charged with a felony because he alleged had a gun in his home and acknowledged he was regular pot user. The Justice Department appealed after a lower court largely struck down the law barring people who usually use any illicit illegal drugs from having guns. They argue that the broad law written puts millions of people at risk with the technical violation. Since at least 20% of Americans have tried pot, according to the Government health data, about half the states have legalized recreational marijuana, Page – 1 – of 6but it’s still illegal under federal law. Remember, that. It is still illegal under federal law. Okay? We need to just remove this as a federal issue, as a federal disqualifier, because it screws people out of their rights when it shouldn’t. It’s about allowing people, because we want as many people as they can, to be able to exercise their Second Amendment rights. Teddy Nappen 03:26 And, quite frankly, this should be removed. They should just remove marijuana as a federal disqualifier. If there’s any other way they want to carve it out. I’m happy to listen about it, but until then, this is a prevalent issue. It comes into play a lot for when people are looking to get mental health expungements. We were just having that from Dr. (John) Edeen, from that exact issue where we form a lot. If it comes up where you’re formalized your usage of marijuana, you’re screwed out of your gun rights. And that’s not right. That is not right. People should have access to their firearms. So, it’s very clearly a big issue, and we’ll see where the Supreme Court lines up on that. My hope is they strike it out, and we can move on from it. Teddy Nappen 04:18 I’d like to also talk about our friends here now at WeShoot. So, WeShoot is bursting with pride, as they are celebrating that Katie Rutherford has officially been named New Jersey State Champion in the highly competitive service pistol match. And she did it the true WeShoot fashion. Disciplined, determined and absolutely dialed in. So, congratulations to Katie on her win. WeShoot offers classes for the CCAR certification so you can get your New Jersey Permit to Carry. WeShoot is a range in Lakewood, New Jersey. They have a fantastic facility for great training and a great pro shop. They have all kinds of deals and specials. We love WeShoot. It’s where I go, where my father goes to shoot, and we got our certifications there. So, just go there and mention Gun Lawyer, and you’ll be treated like royalty. And if you don’t mention Gun Lawyer, you’ll still be treated like royalty, because they’re the best. WeShootUSA.com is their website. Beautiful photos. You can see their WeShoot girls posing with their gorgeous guns. And they’re the guns that they have that you can buy, and then you can have get great deals, great sales. They’ll not only sell you the gun, but they’ll teach you how to use it effectively. Check out WeShoot at weshootusa.com. WeShoot is conveniently located in Lakewood, New Jersey, right off the Parkway. You’ll be glad you did it. Teddy Nappen 05:45 I also want to mention the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. ANJRPC just had a case in the federal court where the Appellate Court gave a mixed win at the moment. But, of course, the fight isn’t over. We’ll call it a partial victory regarding “sensitive places” in the Carry Killer bill. Essentially what the status quo is at the moment that has been maintained, in which you can still carry in your vehicle with the car jacker protection law that has still been enjoined. You can carry concealed and loaded on your person in your vehicle if you have a New Jersey Carry Permit. That is still enjoined. You can do it because, remember the Carry Killer Bill tried to prevent it. Also, you can still go on private property, as long as it’s open to the public and not otherwise a sensitive place. We lost a little a bit in terms of filming locations, in terms of movie filming, in terms of transport on public transportation. So, you’re going to have to have your gun cased and unloaded, etc. if you’re going to go riding on the bus or on a train. Page – 2 – of 6Teddy Nappen 07:02 However, interestingly, they found that the $200 fee that was a $50 fee portion that goes to the State was unlawful. It’s unlawful because it went to the VCCB, which is the Victims Crime Compensation Board. Under the case law, you can not have a fee for licensing not go to actual regulatory activity. That is the purpose of the fee. So, that portion has been knocked out. Now, the price of a New Jersey Carry Permit is $150, and if you live in any towns that are refunding, such as Englishtown, which was one of the first in the start, they were refunding their $150. So, you can actually get your carry permit in New Jersey, in New Jersey for free. And the fight continues. There’s just one step, as we go, challenging the Second Amendment oppressionists legislation as they laid upon us. The Association is at the forefront fighting for your rights. Make sure you are a member of anjrpc.org, anjrpc.org. Teddy Nappen 08:07 Let me also mention my father’s book, New Jersey Gun Law. It is the Bible on New Jersey gun law. You can get your copy of New Jersey Gun Law at EvanNappen.com. It’ll help you navigate a very complex course that has been laid out by the gun rights oppressionists who try to trip you up at every turn, turn you into a criminal, stop you from being a defender and instead into a victim. You need to be a defender instead of a victim, especially since the police have no duty to protect you, as you now know. Get the big orange book. Order today. Scan the cover and make sure you get into the private subscriber database. You’ll get immediate access to the archives, which we update, and that we send out. Also download the 2025 Comprehensive Update that includes the new standalone chapter on “sensitive places”, where you can and cannot carry. So, check it out and get your book today. Teddy Nappen 09:06 All right. So, as we know, Press Checks are always free, and let’s see what the gun rights oppressors are pushing. We know that we’ve always got to check in on our enemy, that is The Trace, and see what they’re peddling. And the latest, as I was laughing when I was reading it, from The Trace, by Olga Pierce. (https://www.thetrace.org/2025/10/gun-violence-dropping-why-us-cities-data/) Analysts show 150 U.S. cities show one of the greatest drops in gun violence ever. Huh? I wonder why that is. I wonder why that is. Well, good news. The Trace explains itself. Gun violence is trending downward. This is what the article is talking about. Three quarters of the cities with the most shootings, according to the analysis of The Trace’s Gun Violence Data Hub. They highlight various cities such as St. Louis with their gun lines trending down in the course of 12 weeks. There has been 1.4 fewer victims being shot, translating to a 4.1% decrease of the average weekly shooting victims. They go over their details using isolating terms, which is how they cook the books. But you know, as they highlight and ignore the “blips” of various mass shootings, as they show the various lines trending. You can go to the article. They highlight. Teddy Nappen 10:45 I love how they always try to paint this here. So they say there was a large spike in pre-covid, in pre covid. In covid levels of 2020, of the spike. Now, what they don’t like to highlight is the fact that if you actually look at the data, you will see that the trend numbers, crime was still up very high prior. But there has been a massive change where there’s a downturn, where, you know, remember, they were toting during the election, where they’re saying, crime is down, crime is down. But if you actually look at it, from pre-covid levels to now, the crime was actually very high. It wasn’t until a massive change this Page – 3 – of 6year. I wonder what that was? So, now, after two more years, in their words, two years of sharp decline, you know the answer? This is their reasoning they give, folks. Here it is. Teachers, counselors, after- school programs, basketball coaches, violence interrupters and others who are the front lines of fighting gun violence. I wonder what the others are? Also, why do they highlight basketball coaches? What is that about, people? Teddy Nappen 12:03 And they were also highlighting the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, which gave $250 million and $750 million to state programs, including red flag laws, mental health courts. And funding has dried up now. They need it. Up, here it is, folks. More money, please. More money, please. So, this is where they’re toting it. They’re trying to get the federal Government to fund their anti-gun rights programs, where they’re pushing for more red flag, believing that that actually has an effect on crime and shootings. It has been proven that it does not. So, they go into more citing about how they need to fund programs like Cease Fire, other local programs, quote, unquote. Teddy Nappen 12:56 But I want to highlight something they completely ignore. Gee, I wonder why they’re pushing for this now? Why are they now, all of a sudden, trying to say that? They’ve been pushing for a long time that crime is down and now, when it actually is showing where crime has dropped a crap ton in various areas. Why is that? Well, under USACarry, pulling this up, you can actually see how all states are now “shall issue” or Constitutional carry. (https://www.usacarry.com/concealed-carry-permit-reciprocity- maps/) So, now, the more prevalence of people being able to carry, people being able to defend themselves and not be victims of shootings, being able, which you gotta always cite to, I believe the number is 3 million lives are saved. That’s from the CDC. Lives are saved from defensive uses of a firearm. It’s one of those they need to, that is always highlighted, but they like to ignore that. So, the mass push for carry has come up and crime is starting to tick down. Teddy Nappen 14:10 Uh oh, look. And here comes the truth. Right here, from BearingArms by Cam Edwards. (https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2025/10/13/nra-calls-on-congress-to-adopt-concealed-carry- reciprocity-n1230239) The NRA-ILA Executive Director says it’s time for Congress to step up and pass national concealed carry reciprocity, which allows lawful gun owners to carry across the country. There it is, folks. That is the push. Not just about the funding. Not just about the fact that they’re trying to push for more red flag. But they know that if there was ever a time to push for national reciprocity, here it is. And just right now in the article right from Breitbart, from AWR Hawkins. (https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2025/10/16/president-trump-makes-clear-national- reciprocity-being-discussed/) Trump specifically said when a reporter asked. President Trump, could there be any further conversion to have national concealed carry apply to actually D.C., like you have a driver’s license in Texas and you have a permit. Trump interjected, as you know, they’ve been talking about that for a long time. It’s an interesting question. A lot of people feel strongly both ways, but we’re talking about that. The conversation is and he has said, if it ever reached his desk, he will sign it. Page – 4 – of 6Teddy Nappen 15:26 So, that’s the timing is just perfect. This comes out right in the same time as October. Then The Trace puts out this article so you can automatically see the game they’re trying to play. They’re trying to downplay, well, we don’t need national carry. We don’t. No, no, no. You don’t need that. Yeah, all the states. No, no, no, no. We need red flag. That’s helping, that’s what’s stopping you. Not the fact that now more and more people are able to carry and are able to defend themselves. I wonder why they’re trying to make this push now. So, they’re trying to stamp out the need for national reciprocity. I can honestly see this as their play, because they’re scared. They know, because we already know, the Left have lost the battleground of ideas. They’ve conceded that ground the moment that the Left shot and killed Charlie Kirk. They’ve conceded those grounds. They’ve already conceded fact and logic, because we already see the data. We already see the arguments coming to that. Teddy Nappen 16:32 So, now they’re trying to pedal the whole argument, like it’s not needed. We don’t need this. Why do you need national reciprocity? Why do that? Well, we certainly do. Because we see the disgusting manners places like New Jersey, where they’re trying to push for sensitive places left and right. Trying to go after our carry and trying to make it impossible and hamper our ability to defend ourselves. But, I wholeheartedly, President Trump. If you’re listening to this, please push for national reciprocity. Now’s the time. Seize it while you can and get us our national reciprocity now. Teddy Nappen 17:13 So, as everyone knows. The favorite segment is the GOFU, the Gun Owner Fuck Up. And let us bring up. Now, this is something that has come up recently, and this is something I need to address for people. They need to remember. Do not buy any ammunition online. Just don’t even do that. Okay? Here’s the problem. If you’re buying from online, which most of them do it from out of the state, you know, buy online. You’re in state of New Jersey, and you buy online. I’ll even pull it up right on the page in my father’s book (New Jersey Gun Law), right here, right here. On Page 13, number (8), may a person, when you’re ordering handgun ammunition, handgun ammunition, out-of-state and receive it via interstate commerce? There is no Federal statute prohibiting the acquisition in this manner. However, unless the seller fully complies with New Jersey law, which includes the display of a gun license permit and electronic recording, it is unlawful in New Jersey. Additionally, the seller could be charged with being an unlicensed New Jersey dealer. They have to comply with reporting the 2,000 or more bulk sales. Teddy Nappen 18:35 Do not do this, folks, please. Please, do not do this. Okay? Buy locally. All right, go to your local gun store to buy your ammunition, because otherwise you are setting yourselves up. They are willing. New Jersey’s fully willing to attack and go after and we’re trying to not allow them to go after gun dealers. Don’t give them the excuse. Please, please do not buy handgun ammunition online. Do not buy ammunition online, okay? All right, we must all remember that gun laws do not protect honest citizens from criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens. Page – 5 – of 6Speaker 2 19:16 Gun Lawyer is a CounterThink Media production. The music used in this broadcast was managed by Cosmo Music, New York, New York. Reach us by emailing Evan@gun.lawyer. The information and opinions in this broadcast do not constitute legal advice. Consult a licensed attorney in your state. Page – 6 – of 6 Downloadable PDF Transcript Gun Lawyer S3 E261_Transcript About The Host Evan Nappen, Esq. Known as “America’s Gun Lawyer,” Evan Nappen is above all a tireless defender of justice. Author of eight bestselling books and countless articles on firearms, knives, and weapons history and the law, a certified Firearms Instructor, and avid weapons collector and historian with a vast collection that spans almost five decades — it’s no wonder he’s become the trusted, go-to expert for local, industry and national media outlets. 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Episode 260-Doctors and Firearms 39:33

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Episode 260- Doctors and Firearms Also Available On Searchable Podcast Transcript Gun Lawyer — Episode 260 Transcript SUMMARY KEYWORDS Firearms, medical industry, suppressors, hearing protection, gun safety, mental health, New Jersey gun laws, Second Amendment, gun rights, trauma medicine, public health, gun ownership, ethical boundary violations, firearm training, gun legislation. SPEAKERS Teddy Nappen, Speaker 1, Speaker 2, Dr. John Edeen Teddy Nappen 00:15 I’m Teddy Nappen, and welcome to Gun Lawyer. Again, my father is allowed to have a vacation, and don’t worry, he will be back. Instead, I am going to be interviewing a very interesting individual who will provide, I think, a very important take that is being overlooked when it comes to firearms and when it comes to the medical industry. Teddy Nappen 00:43 So, I’m looking to my guest here, Dr. John Edeen, and I believe it was a Edeen rhymes with mean, if I’m correct. Dr. John Edeen 00:54 Well, that’s right, absolutely. Teddy Nappen 00:56 Oh, good. So, yeah, if you would like to introduce yourself so that everyone can understand and like, what organization you have been a part of. Speaker 1 01:07 Sure, I’d be happy to do that. So, my name is John Edeen. I am a pediatric orthopedic surgeon, thus being mean to kids is what I do for a living. Ha, ha, ha. It’s pretty funny. I am the membership director for Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership (DRGO), which is a Second Amendment foundation organization, and it was founded first in about 1994 by Tim Wheeler, who is an ear, nose and throat surgeon in California. (https://drgo.us/) He realized that there was a lot of bias in the medical literature, and also a lot of the academia locally in California, and he was one of the guys that was actually instrumental in getting the Dickey Amendment passed, which basically forbade the CDC from doing biased advocacy research against the Second Amendment. (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5993413/) Dr. John Edeen 02:06 And I’ve been with DRGO for about 12 years now. So, DRGO is an interesting organization because it’s, you know, doctors and other healthcare professionals, and we even have, believe it or not, a couple lawyers as part of DRGO. Dr. John Edeen 02:22 Yeah, I know. But we’ve done, we’ve done some amicus briefs for some of the, you know, pertinent cases that has some stuff to do with medical stuff. Just recently the ear, nose and throat society. I can’t remember the actual name of it, but they actually came out with a position statement supporting suppressors. And one of our members, Hayes Wanamaker, who’s also in the leadership of DRGO, actually spoke at the Gun Rights Policy Conference two weekends ago about this. He gave the kind of the scientific stuff, and there is a paper at our website, which is DRGO.us, which goes over a lot of that same information. And there’s, it’s really good intellectual ammunition, especially if you’re in a state where they’ve outlawed suppressors, and you’re trying to get that undone. Teddy Nappen 02:22 Ah, get them out of there. Dr. John Edeen 03:02 Because, you know, based on what happened with the Big Beautiful Bill, you know that the suppressor tax is going away, and so people are going to be buying suppressors left and right. But if you’re in a state that doesn’t allow you to have a suppressor, then you can use this to try to lobby. You use it as good information. Teddy Nappen 03:36 I’m incredibly thankful for that, because I find that a lot of people, if we arm them with a lot of this information, they can persuade a lot of people. Because look, if you talk to the average person, they think suppressor, like, what? You want one of that and you want, like, random shootings, like in John Wick? No, it actually has a very important value, because we don’t need to all be going deaf. Thank you. Dr. John Edeen 04:00 What was that? Teddy Nappen 04:03 Exactly! Dr. John Edeen 04:05 I mean, you have a bunch of shooters that are talking to each other. They’re, they’re like, half of the stuff you can’t hear, right? Because they can’t hear what the other guy’s saying because they have hearing loss. It’s just, it’s crazy. What is that? What did you just say? Huh? Teddy Nappen 04:21 Sorry, I’ve got range ears. Dr. John Edeen 04:24 Yeah, I tell you I’ve lost hearing. You know, all you have to do is be, you know, laying prone and with a rifle, and you bump your ear muffs, and all of a sudden you lose your seal. Next thing you know, your ears are ringing. And that ringing is your little hair cells in your cochlea dying. I want you to know that. That’s what that is. And one exposure to, I think it’s what 120 decibels or something like that, can cause permanent hearing loss. All that stuff is in our paper, and it’s worth having. (https://drgo.us/position-statements/suppressors-hearing/) There’s, there’s like, a little synopsis, but then there’s, there’s the whole paper. And you can print them out. There’s great pictures. It has pictures of the cochlea and, you know, and it gives you a fact. Dr. John Edeen 05:07 I can pull this up right now. I’m sitting here in front of my computer, but here it is. It’s written by, first of all, it’s written by 1, 2, 3, 4 ear, nose and throat surgeons, and they have like, photo micrographs of the inner ear. They have the instant damage is at 140 decibels, by the way. And it’s all on here. And it tells you like a lawn mower is 90 decibels and a jackhammer is 110 decibels. And so a lawn mower for eight hours can give you damage. A jackhammer for 15 minutes can give you damage. Dr. John Edeen 05:44 And then anything over 140 decibels, gives you instant damage, like a firecracker, a pistol or a rifle. But it’s interesting. It’s very interesting. And there’s a lot of good information. And then there’s also you, if you go looking for it, the ear, nose, and throat people have their paper too, and I think Hayes Wanamaker was one of the authors on that paper, or at least on that position statement. Teddy Nappen 06:11 Honestly, I feel that this is going to be very important. As I believe, I think it’s NRA or GOA or pro gun there, they just submitted their challenges to the NFA. The fact that they are removing the tax on the suppressor. Dr. John Edeen 06:27 Right. It makes perfect sense. Teddy Nappen 06:27 So, yeah. I wouldn’t be surprised. Like, you know, you might get a call or two saying, hey, we want some information, because we’re going to arm this up. But that is going to be very helpful and benefit, because it’s always a fight for freedom, just kind of going into it. Teddy Nappen 06:29 Now, this is something that happens with a good chunk of us. Every time I go into the doctor’s office, there’s two things that always happen. One, he always calls me fat. Number two, he always asks if I possess firearms. So, what is up with that? Dr. John Edeen 06:46 Well, you know, a lot of the major organizations, the AMA (American Medical Association) and the American Academy of Pediatrics, they’re all influenced by the Left. They’re Northeastern, you know, academia. Their whole goal is to disarm you so that they can do their Leftist stuff to you, and that’s why we, as gun owners, want to keep our rights so that we can keep them from doing the stuff they want to do to us. Because we’ll be armed and they won’t be able to do anything to us. Dr. John Edeen 07:39 So, here’s the thing. First of all, doctors don’t receive any training in firearms. Firearm safety, you know, firearms mechanics, how guns work. They’re completely unqualified. And remember gun ownership is a civil right, you know, and as a consumer, you have a lot of power in the doctor/ patient relationship. So, don’t be afraid to use it. First of all, you can refuse to answer their question. In fact, I think was it Tom Gresham used to say, basically, it’s not a sin to lie somebody that has no business knowing the answer. And this is one of the things. You know, I’m not necessarily telling you to lie to your doctor about everything else, but frankly, for this, this is one of those things that they have no business even asking you or knowing. Dr. John Edeen 08:32 If your health care plan, if this is part of their questionnaire thing, you can complain to them about that. And then also if the doctor, if they persist in asking intrusive questions about this, despite you saying, I’m not, I don’t want to talk about this. This is not why we’re here. There’s a term for that. It’s called an ethical boundary violation. And basically what that is, is that the physician is pushing an agenda that doesn’t necessarily benefit the patient. It’s, you know, they’re doing a political thing that’s not necessarily in your long-term benefit. And that’s an ethical boundary violation. Dr. John Edeen 09:15 And probably the best example of an ethical boundary violation is having sex with your patient. That’s how bad this is. And you are allowed to complain to your professional board, the State Medical Board, and it’s a big deal when that happens. It requires the doctor to jump through a whole lot of hoops, and frankly, the process is the punishment. It’s not much of a fun thing to go through, having had complaints put against me in the past. It’s no good, honestly. Teddy Nappen 09:51 I’ll save that the next time they ask me my pronouns. Dr. John Edeen 09:55 Exactly. Dr. John Edeen 09:56 Now, here’s another thing. This is my favorite thing to say, and by the way, a lot of this is at DRGO.us, it’s just the question, the medical question. This is my favorite one, though. Ask the doctor, so, doctor, does your insurance company know that you’re practicing outside of your expertise in medical practice? And if I’m harmed by the advice that you give me, will your malpractice insurer cover you to my benefit? Even despite the fact that you are practicing outside of the scope of practice that you’re credentialed in? Dr. John Edeen 10:34 And that usually will shut them up faster than anything else. Because they realize, oh, my goodness, I’ve stepped on it. I’m out. I’m out of, I’m out of bounds, basically, at that point, because, you know. And the other thing you can ask him is, you know, what organization certifies you to give firearms advice? And if it’s the AMA, say, well, I’d like to see that AMA course on firearm safety. It doesn’t exist. It’s, it’s, you know. Even though I think isn’t it one of the Bloomberg groups that is actually doing a firearm safety thing? Teddy Nappen 11:08 Correct. Every time. They are doing that. EveryTown is putting out a certification course. Yeah, well, BearingArms did a whole article on it. (https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2025/10/18/everytown-is-having-a-rough-time-and-were-here-for-it-n1230299) I wish I could pull it up for you. Teddy Nappen 11:21 But what they did was they had a guy who did, who knows who does the certifications, knows what it was. And it was this complete anti-gun bias all up and down. Dr. John Edeen 11:33 Of course it was. Teddy Nappen 11:34 Like, yeah, it was just galore. And it was like, oh, my God. It’s like having a vegan teach you how to do butcher like, you know, butchering. Like it was so disgusting, Dr. John Edeen 11:48 Yeah, and it doesn’t surprise me. Because their intent is not gun safety, it’s gun confiscation. You know it, I know it. Your dad knows it. I mean, you know, as you like to say, Registration, and then, you know, Confiscation, and then you know Extermination, you know, that’s what they’re after. Teddy Nappen 12:10 The step you missed. And this is what we always need to remember. It always begins with Legislation. So, everyone get out and vote. Dr. John Edeen 12:17 Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Teddy Nappen 12:19 Like your life depended on it, so. Dr. John Edeen 12:21 Because it does. Teddy Nappen 12:23 Yeah. And going off of that and kind of one of the other topics, and this has been coming up a lot. I don’t know if you’re too familiar in New Jersey, what’s been going on with mental health commitments, of what they’ve kind of abused that, where they recently made a change under the Carry Killer law, where now voluntaries are considered involuntaries. So, instead of just getting a doctor’s letter saying you’re fine for a voluntary stay, you need a full expungement. That is a whole legal procedure that takes a mass amounts of time, money and effort to get cleared. Which, by the way, sometimes the records don’t even exist because they would destroy them after a certain amount of years. And in some ways, they can construe like rehab. So, what is your view on that when it comes to the mental health commitments for where they’re been making people equivalent of convicted felons? Dr. John Edeen 13:18 Well, I mean, first of all, there are people that have mental illnesses that they probably shouldn’t own guns. And we have to differentiate those people. People with like, you know, chronic schizophrenia, where they have impaired reality testing, versus somebody who, you know, they just went through a divorce and was a little down. And, you know, situational, normal, reactive times of depression. And, you know, that’s a different area. And what you’re trying to do is conflate that with somebody who’s, you know, basically, you know, a psycho killer. You know what I’m saying? Teddy Nappen 13:58 Yeah, I they do. My favorite one. I always highlight this to people. A guy is like in his 70s, 80s, and is denied because he was an unruly child when he was seven, and that didn’t screws him out of his gun rights because it was an involuntary commitment when he was seven for a day. Like, that’s disgusting. Dr. John Edeen 14:20 Yeah, no. In fact that, in and of itself, shows you the extent that they’ll go to try to disarm people. And the whole thing is a travesty. And frankly, I mean, lawyers like you guys ought to be going after that kind of stuff, because it doesn’t give anybody due process. You have no ability to, you know, fight it, basically, you know. If they make a law that says, you know, 50 years ago, you know, you were, you had ADHD, and you went a little crazy, and you ended up in the hospital. Or, you know, you took some pills, and you got, you know, you were hallucinating, or something like that, and you end up in the hospital. That’s not necessarily something that you should lose your rights over. Teddy Nappen 15:09 Yeah, and, quite frankly, just the level of what it takes to even get the records cleared. The judges have such broad discretion that, I mean, they can just say, oh, yeah, everything’s here. You’ve met the criteria. Doctor says you’re fine, but I’m still going to deny you because of character, temperament and whatever weasel clause they use. Dr. John Edeen 15:35 But under Bruen, that’s not allowed, is it? I mean, that’s the whole thing. It has to be a distinct set of criteria, not. Teddy Nappen 15:45 The issue is, when it comes to mental health expungements, the three pillars they have. Under the law for mental health expungements, you have the medical history, then you have criminal history, and then community ties and relations, which, that’s the catch all. That was how they were going about denying people. So, now they have to go through this massive character factor issues that have to go through that, and it’s just. It’s a laundry list of issues that come into play for people. So, it’s something that definitely is quite disgusting. And luckily, the firm, the law firm, handles that pretty well. But it’s just, it’s always such a fight for these people, because they just destroy people’s lives in New Jersey. Dr. John Edeen 16:33 They do, and it’s horrible. It’s absolutely horrible. And frankly, you know, fortunately, we have good people on the medical side, too. You know, you and I both know a lot of those people, and at least, but you know, it costs money. Then it costs time, and it costs mental anguish. You know, this whole, they’re putting you through it again. You know the process is the punishment, and they’re trying to discourage people from owning firearms. It’s all about disarming people, period. Teddy Nappen 17:08 So, on that note, I will just, I think, as a way to cheer your mode. I want to talk about our good buddies at WeShoot. As our people may know, our good friends at WeShoot offer classes on getting your CCARE certification so you can get your New Jersey Permit to Carry. WeShoot is a range in Lakewood, New Jersey. They have a fantastic facility with great training and a great pro shop. They have all kinds of deals and specials. We love WeShoot. It’s where I and my father go and shoot, and we got our certifications. If you go there and mention Gun Lawyer, you’ll be treated like a king. If not, you’ll still be treated like a king, because they are the best. Go to weshootusa.com. That’s their website. Beautiful photos, and don’t miss the WeShoot girls as they’re posing with gorgeous guns. And there are guns that you can buy, and they have great deals, great sales. They can not only, they can not only sell you the guns, but also they can teach you how to effectively use them as well. Check out weshootusa.com. WeShoot is conveniently located in Lakewood, New Jersey, right off the Parkway. You’ll be glad you did. Teddy Nappen 18:16 And let me also mention our good friends at the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs (ANJRPC). And the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs just had a case in the federal court where the appellate court gave a mixed win at the moment. But of course, the fight never ends. It was, we’ll call it a partial victory regarding sensitive places in the Carry Killer bill. Essentially, what the status quo is at the moment has been maintained. You can still carry in your vehicle with the carjacker protection law that was still enjoined. You can carry concealed, loaded on your person in your vehicle with a New Jersey Carry Permit. That is still enjoined. And you can do that because, remember, the Carry Killer Bill tried to prevent it. Teddy Nappen 19:02 You can still go on private property, as long as it’s open to the public and not otherwise a sensitive place. We lost a little bit in terms of filming locations, in terms of movie filming, and in terms of transporting on public transportation. You’re going to have to have the gun cased and unloaded, etc., if you’re going to be riding a bus or train. However, interestingly, they found that the $50 fee portion that goes to the State was unlawful. It’s unlawful because it went to the VCCB, which is the Victim’s Crime Compensation Board. Under case law, you cannot have a fee for the license not actually go to regulatory activity. That is the purpose of the fee. That has been knocked out. So, now you only have to pay the $150, and if you live in any town that is refunding, such as Englishtown, which was one of the first to start it, they’ll refund their $150. So, you can actually get your carry permit in New Jersey for free. Teddy Nappen 20:04 And the fight continues. This is just one step as we go along, challenging the Second Amendment oppressionists legislation as they’ve laid it upon us. And the Association is in the forefront fighting for your rights. Make sure you’re a member of the anjrpc.org That’s anjrpc.org. Teddy Nappen 20:23 And before we finish off the ads, let me shamelessly plug my father’s book, New Jersey Gun Law. The Bible of New Jersey gun laws. You can get your copy of New Jersey Gun Law at EvanNappen.com. And you’ll be glad you did. Because it helps keep yourself out of the New Jersey Gun Owner Gulag. It helps you navigate the very complex course that has been laid out by the gun rights oppressionists who try to trip up and turn you into a criminal. To stop you from being a defender instead of a victim. You need to be a defender instead of a victim, especially since the police have no duty protect you, as you know. So, get the book. You’ll be glad you did. Go to EvanNappen.com and look for the big orange book. Order today, and when you get it, make sure you scan the front cover and get in the private subscriber base. You’ll be able to immediately access the archives, and you’ll get the up to date, including be able to download the 2025 Comprehensive Update that includes a new standalone chapter on “sensitive places”. Where you can and cannot carry. So, check it out today. Teddy Nappen 21:27 So, Dr Edeen, one of the other big things that does come up a lot, and this is just something I see. The Left is constantly making this argument where they’ve tried and tried to make firearms a health issue. They always try to conflate that. And I don’t know if there was anything you can highlight to us like where did that kind of start or any spot to where you can kind of give your opinion on that issue? Dr. John Edeen 21:59 Well, it goes back probably 20 to 30 years. They’ve been trying to push the public health issue side of this thing. And frankly, doctors have no control over the public health issue, over the “gun violence” issue. It’s not a public health issue. It’s a criminology issue. You have to, when you look at Dr John Lott’s research, it’s the same people over and over again in a very small area that are the recurrent perpetrators of the violent acts and end up causing the “gun violence”. So, it’s really not a, you know, public health issue. Dr. John Edeen 22:46 It’s not like it’s a disease that you can stop, you know. I mean, I mean, if you can intervene at the gang level, and, you know, get the kids not to go into the gangs, that might be some kind of a public health thing that you can do. But that’s about as close as you’re going to get to preventing this, you know. Because this is really a gang violence problem. It’s a criminal, it’s a criminal violence problem, but it’s not a public health problem. Dr. John Edeen 23:16 The beauty is that trauma medicine has evolved so well that we’re still able to save a lot of people when they get shot. If you can make it to the hospital alive, you’re probably going to survive. You know, the trauma centers and the trauma systems are set up to help people survive. So, you got these gang bangers, if you look at them, you know, they’ve been shot six times, 10 times. They end up getting shot. They go to the hospital, and they get patched up. They go back out, and they get into another gunfight. They get shot again. And so these guys aren’t afraid of you or me with a gun. I can tell you that right now, because they’ve been shot already. Most of them have been shot, and they’ve survived it. And so, don’t be surprised if you know one of these guys, you know, if you pull a gun on him, he laughs at you. Unless you’re serious and he realizes that you’re going to, you’re going to shoot him, you know, and you’re going to shoot him down to the ground. He may not be afraid of you. So, it’s really not a public health thing. They like to call it a public health issue, but medicine has no tools to stop a criminal activity. And that’s really the bottom line. Teddy Nappen 24:27 Honestly, I was thinking of the, I remember there was some crime story where they were interviewing a former gang member, and he covered his face. But he took off his shirt, and he showed like he got shot gunned, like, point blank to the chest, and he lived. And it wasn’t even, like, bird, it was buckshot. So, I’m like, how? But yeah, some people, it’s Dr. John Edeen 24:51 He’s lucky. They just didn’t hit, they didn’t hit something big enough to cause him to bleed out before he made it to the hospital. You know, they probably took out part of his lung and probably took up, you know, branches of the pulmonary artery in a vain. But it might have Tampa nodded off, or whatever. Or somebody might have stuffed something in there and kept him from bleeding to death. But, you know, I mean, the ability of the trauma surgeons to save people’s lives is pretty amazing. Dr. John Edeen 25:17 Man, I was a military surgeon back in the, in the, you know, the 1980s and early, mid 80s to mid 90s. Teddy Nappen 25:25 A saw bones, were you? Dr. John Edeen 25:26 Oh, yeah. I mean, I am a saw bones. I’m an orthopedic surgeon. That’s what I do. I saw bones and correct them. Straighten them out, put screws and plates in them and all that kind of stuff. But, you know, the bottom line is that, especially like, since the global war on terror, trauma medicine has evolved and evolved. You know, people were using tourniquets and now we have quick clot. I mean, I carry a tourniquet and quick clot in my pocket wherever I go. I have it with me 24/7. because those are the most effective things in my view. You can, you can kind of jury rig, you know, a chest seal out of the packet for that, that troop, the clot gauze or, you know, with some duct tape or whatever. But the bottom line is, is stopping that, you know, stopping the bleeding is probably the most important thing for people to survive, you know, penetrating trauma Teddy Nappen 26:20 Is there a tourniquet you would recommend for someone to carry? Dr. John Edeen 26:24 I use the soft T wide, but the cat tourniquet is also good. Both of them are. They’re kind of the tourniquets of choice, put out by the military trauma people. I mean, there are other tourniquets out there too, but those are the recommended ones by the Committee on trauma. Teddy Nappen 26:47 Honestly, that’s pretty good advice. I might actually start doing that. Dr. John Edeen 26:51 Yeah, I have, I keep it. I wear scrubs all the time, and I have, you know, pockets, five pockets. And my scrubs are like cargo pockets. So, I’ll throw a tourniquet on one side and two things of quick clot gauze on the other, and just carry that. It’s easy to do. You don’t even know it’s there. Teddy Nappen 27:10 I’ll definitely consider that. So, I know you touched on this. What is your opinion of the AMA and their position on firearms. I think you touched on it, but I think let’s paint it very clear as to kind of the enemies of our rights. Dr. John Edeen 27:31 Can I say they’re a bunch of commies? Teddy Nappen 27:33 You may do so. I fully believe it. Dr. John Edeen 27:36 Yeah. And they want to take, they want to take over. They want to take over medicine, first of all, and here’s something. Let’s look at what happened during the Covid crisis. The medical community sold us all out for money. I’m on something called the Profession. I was on the Professional Staff Committee. They just dissolved it about a month ago. Dr. John Edeen 28:03 But during Covid, I kept asking the powers that be. I said, why are we not doing any studies on ivermectin or what’s the other stuff? I can’t remember. Anyway, yeah, hydroxychloroquine. Why don’t we? Why aren’t we doing any studies on that? Well, you know, why aren’t we, you know, treating people early when they show up with a positive covid test. Why aren’t we giving them something to treat them? Why are we waiting till they’re on death’s door and then we put them in the hospital? Oh, yeah, and we get $40,000 a day from the federal government to treat each one of those patients in the hospital. But we get zippo when we treat them, you know, with medication. Dr. John Edeen 28:47 And then the other thing is in order to get approval for an emergency use of a vaccine, there has to be no other medical treatment available. So, this is all about the billions of dollars that were available through the Government to Big Pharma, which was then also through Government passing down money, you know, to the hospitals. And so, we were sold out by medicine. And I’m a doctor, you know, and I could see it. You follow the money. I’ve been talking about this for five years now. I mean, since probably 2020, for five years, I’ve been talking about the fact that you have to follow the money to find out what’s going on. And we’ve been sold out by the, you know, the Big Pharma. We’ve been sold out by the American Medical Association. We’ve been sold out by the Centers for Disease Control, and we’ve been sold out by our Government. And this whole thing is, you know, this is the public health issue, not guns. Okay? Dr. John Edeen 29:56 You know, the AMA is a Left wing organization. They’re crooked as, you know, what? And, you know, I don’t trust anything they say. And I’ve been dealing with, you know, my dad’s 97 right now. He broke his hip six months ago. We’re dealing with, you know, we’re dealing with all the health issues. They can’t get anything done, you know. And the whole system is corrupt. Teddy Nappen 30:21 I completely understand that. We’ve had a lot of family where it’s always you’ve got to know somebody, but it’s just the games they play and the hoops they make you jump through. To the point I’m just, I always love at the end of every email you get from the hospital, it’s from the World Health Organization. I’m like, oh, that’s all, that really helps. Dr. John Edeen 30:43 Yeah, it’s not, it’s not healthy at all. Teddy Nappen 30:46 Nah, no, yeah, yeah. But on the one, the last questions, you’ve been very informative on all this, and I think our listeners will appreciate someone of your position and knowledge putting that out for people. Because they need to arm themselves and hear the truth. Regarding, what is your view on the health benefits of children and guns together, getting the early experience of firearms? I don’t know if you had anything on that. Dr. John Edeen 31:16 Well, you know, kids and firearms, under good supervision, children can learn anything, right? And we’ve all seen organizations where children are taught how to use a .22 pistol to do target shooting, or shoot it using a shotgun for target shooting or whatever. Those kids step up, and they mature. And so, as far as I’m concerned, supervised firearms training and children is actually a great thing. Dr. John Edeen 31:51 Because it allows, I mean, I live in Texas, okay? We’ve got ranches all over the place. Kids are hunting from, from the you know, they’re, you know, age 10 and beyond. They go out in the woods with their .22 rifle and shoot, you know, squirrels and whatever? Do I see kids getting shot? Yeah, I see kids shooting themselves once in a while, and the first thing I ask them is, so, what are the rules of gun safety? And you know, most of them don’t know that answer. Dr. John Edeen 32:21 But you can ask some of the other kids, you know, some of the kids, they’re, you know, they’re competitive shotgunners. You know, that’s one of the biggest sports in the country. Did you know that? Shotgun sports? Yeah, the high school championships in the Midwest are huge. You don’t hear about it in New Jersey. But in other places in the country, there’s a lot, there’s a lot. It’s bigger than football in some places. And so, yes. Dr. John Edeen 32:50 But if you look up, you look up shotgun sports and kids, you know skeet shooting and trap shooting and stuff like that. It’s a big deal on the Midwest. There are leagues, and they’re, you know, they’re like, it’s like, your team, you know, your high school team plays against the other high school team in shot gunning. It’s great stuff. So, you know, it’s limited in in certain places. You know, they try to suppress it, but in other places where it’s allowed, it blooms. And it’s just phenomenal for kids,. Because it helps them mature, and it’s a social thing. And it helps them with, you know, just developing responsibility, a sense of accomplishment. It’s that whole thing. Now, why people? Why kids do sports? It’s to develop into a into a good, responsible adult. Teddy Nappen 33:46 It’s definitely, I see that benefit. And quite frankly, I remember when my uncle would talk about, like, he would go to elementary school, take his shotgun, put in his cubby. Then finish off school, and then when he was done, he’d go turkey hunting right after. Like, it’s that culture of training and growing up with firearms that I think is very benefit. And honestly, that’s why I think there are some schools now doing, like, firearm safety training as part of the school curriculum. They need to understand that. So, but, um, yeah, that’s actually very interesting on that. And I didn’t realize how popular it is. Dr. John Edeen 34:21 Oh, yeah. It’s a huge thing. Huge. Teddy Nappen 34:25 Huge. Nice. Dr. John Edeen 34:26 Huge. Teddy Nappen 34:30 Well, you gotta love it. Yeah, exactly. Oh, man, anytime I hear him like speak, it’s his us, wrong. No, it’s a stupid question, move along, like. Dr. John Edeen 34:45 He is hilarious. Teddy Nappen 34:47 Oh, yeah. So, yep. That is all the questions I wanted to ask regarding that, and I wanted to thank you for your time and just and discussing these issues. And again, can you repeat the organization and where they can find a lot of this information. Because. Teddy Nappen 35:03 Sure. Teddy Nappen 35:03 Again, I want everyone to take their time to listen and read this stuff, because it is important. Dr. John Edeen 35:09 There’s so much on our website, you can’t read it all. I’ll tell you that right now. Our document archives goes back into the 1990s. So, we have, you know, on our blog, we have stuff from a lot. There’s stuff that I’ve written. They’ve actually published or republished two of the articles that I wrote. One was about an active shooter in the hospital. It’s called “The unthinkable: an active shooter in the hospital.” I wrote that in our local magazine for our medical society. And then I also wrote for USCCA, an article about terrorism against hospitals world wide, and I wrote that in, I think, 2015. That’s also reprinted. So, that’s some of the stuff that I’ve written. Plus, there’s more that I’ve written. But there are positions and resources, guns and public health, gun safety, gun research, gun question, EMRs and gun suppressors and hearing protective orders and external resources. Dr. John Edeen 36:11 Article archives by a bunch of us, and then there’s just document archives. There’s media stuff or blog. It just goes, it goes on and on and on. We’re also on like Facebook. And Rob Young publishes a lot of stuff there. There’s a lot of interactive stuff, too. So, you can interact with him. Rob Young is our director and again, we are part of the Second Amendment Foundation. If you’re interested in becoming a member, you can go to DRGO.us and just join. There’s a tab for “join now.” It’s like 35 bucks, but it’s worth it, especially if you’re in the healthcare profession. We would love to have you write articles. And you know, it’s just a good bunch of folks. I’ll just leave it at that. But this is a great resource. A great resource. Teddy Nappen 37:07 Yep, and to anyone out there who is a doctor and is pro-gun, I mean, your voice needs to be heard. Because, like he said, good chunk of them are not, and I think we need to have that out there. There needs to be good doctors, ones you can actually trust and have your backing and aren’t trying to take away your rights. Dr. John Edeen 37:27 Absolutely. And we’re the good ones. Teddy Nappen 37:31 I know, right? Dr. John Edeen 37:33 We’re the good guys. I will never try to take away your guns, believe me. Never in a million years. Teddy Nappen 37:39 Yep. So, you can catch now. This is what we do at the end of the show, known as the GOFUs, the Gun Owner Fuck Up. It’s a lesson that other people have learned, so anyone listening can learn it without having to pay the price. And this is a lesson that has recently come up. If you are ever you know, arrested or the cop says, you’re not free to leave, shut up! People, men have died for your for those rights. Stand on them. Remain silent and ask for your attorney. That is it. Teddy Nappen 38:18 If you are arrested, you are arrested, but do not say anything. If the cop goes up to you and says, oh, I talked to the other guy, but I want to get your side of the story. You say, I have nothing to say. Talk to my attorney. That is it. You do not need to give that side of the story. At best, it’s neutral and doesn’t affect the outcome, and you’ll still be and probably still be arrested. At worst, you’re hurting yourself, and it’s how it goes. Teddy Nappen 38:47 My father always highlights this all the time. Where Martha Stewart, you know, what she went to jail for wasn’t tax evasion. It wasn’t for taxes. It was for lying to the police. Do you know how you can avoid lying to the police? Don’t say anything. That’s how it goes. So with that, thank you to my guest, Dr. John Edeen, for coming on here. Teddy Nappen 39:08 I am Teddy Nappen, reminding you that gun laws do not protect honest citizens from criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens. Speaker 2 39:17 Gun Lawyer is a CounterThink Media production. The music used in this broadcast was managed by Cosmo Music, New York, New York. Reach us by emailing Evan@gun.lawyer. The information and opinions in this broadcast do not constitute legal advice. Consult a licensed attorney in your state. Downloadable PDF Transcript Gun Lawyer S3 E260_Transcript About The Host Evan Nappen, Esq. Known as “America’s Gun Lawyer,” Evan Nappen is above all a tireless defender of justice. 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Episode 259-AG Stands for “Anti-Gun” Also Available On Searchable Podcast Transcript Gun Lawyer — Episode 259 Transcript SUMMARY KEYWORDS Anti-gun movement, New Jersey, Attorney General Matthew Platkin, Safe Office, Bruen decision, gun rights, firearm enforcement, Butcher’s Gun World, legal swatting, ghost guns, New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Club, carry permit, New Jersey gun law, pork roll controversy, gun lawyer. SPEAKERS Teddy Nappen, Speaker 2 Teddy Nappen 00:15 I’m Teddy Nappen, and welcome to Gun Lawyer. My father is allowed to be on vacation and could not make it to the episode, but don’t worry, he’ll come back. I know we were going into details on the face of the anti-gun movement. We talked about who is truly the effective anti-gun, gun rights oppressionists of New Jersey. Everyone might just shout out, oh, Governor Murphy, obviously. I get that. However, there is one individual who has become the attack dog or spearhead of the anti-gun agenda in New Jersey and has been very effective at attacking our rights. Even now, as we have the Bruen decision, as we have many pro-gun avenues like Ford, where we’re getting far more wins than we could have ever imagined. The one individual who has been an absolute destroyer of our rights is Attorney General Matthew J. Platkin. Teddy Nappen 01:31 Now, we’ve talked about Platkin with his SAFE Office, the Statewide Affirmative Firearms Enforcement Office. It sounds really official. They have used this as a weaponization against our rights because they’ve already conceded the grounds of, okay, they can’t win legally in terms of Constitutionality. We’re winning on those fronts, slowly but surely. They can’t win on the voice of ideas, because the anti-gun arguments are immediately shut down. The only time they can ever even attempt to pull something out is whenever there’s a mass shooting and they try to blood dance. But with the Charlie Kirk assassination,, the ICE attack and then every single Left wing attack, the conversation has pivoted to mental health and highlighting those factors. So essentially, we’ve won in terms of the argument ideas. Teddy Nappen 02:30 So, they can’t win on Constitutionality. They can’t win in the open forum of ideas. What do they have left? Well, Platkin found his avenue. We talked about how the AG launched two suits. They were going after two gun shops, basically saying that they violated New Jersey’s law. This is actually on the AG’s website, and he’s bragging about it. (https://www.njoag.gov/ag-platkin-announces-victory-in-gun-store- case/) Like he’s not hiding it. This is what he is doing. Attorney General Matthew Platkin announces a significant victory against Butch’s Gun World, a Vineland gun store that sold over 1000 rounds of AR-15 ammunition and other gun-related products. Gun-related products. And what does that apply to? An accessory. A sling, a piece of metal. Like what is it. They just, whatever. Whatever catch-all term that they have, and without making any efforts to determine that they could lawfully possess a firearm, which, whatever. That’s not how the law is applied. But you know, what does that fall to the Attorney General. Page 1 of 6 Teddy Nappen 03:44 He goes into great detail on how he just brags about it, where the SAFE Office launched their attack in March of 2025 with two retailers. The one that settled where, essentially now the gun shop has to send all transactions, all transactions, any gun-related transactions they have to send to the office. So, you’re not only registering guns, you’re not only registering ammunition, you’re registering any gun-related products. This is the gun rights suppressor’s wet dream. Gathering their list of any and all things that are even related to guns. The one group settled. However, Butch’s Gun World actually tried to fight it. And I love this part of the article where Judge Robert Malestein of the New Jersey Superior Court, Chancellors Division, rejected Butch’s Gun World’s attempt to avoid liability. The ruling noted the facts of the case that Butch’s Gun World, established by SAFE undercover investigators, were not in dispute. Okay? Not in dispute. They’re disputing that what they had there was legal. Not that the undercovers are saying that it is illegal. And held that there was no evidence that Butch’s Gun World had established any controls regarding the sales of gun-related products. Teddy Nappen 05:12 What controls were they required? What controls are needed for that? There wasn’t anything needed for gun-related products. And this is my favorite part. The court therefore granted summary judgment in favor of the Attorney General, issued an injunction compelling Butcher’s Gun World to immediately comply with the Firearm Industry Public Safety Law. And what is the requirements that the AG has now tacked on? Ask for a government-issued photo identification such as a driver’s license potential buyer to card or permit that lack of photo identification. Keep records of all sales of gun-related products, detailing the verifications means of each sale for three years. Transmit those records to the SAFE office and write a set of policies used to educate and train each of the staff in terms of the injunction of those written policies within the space of the accessibility to staff during business hours. Teddy Nappen 06:16 So what does that mean? Now this shop, this gun shop, has to effectively report all of their sales transactions. Not just guns. Not just ammunition. Anything that they determine to be gun-related products, and now they have to send it all to the SAFE office. What are they doing with that information? Well, obviously they’re making, compiling, a massive registry and records. Keeping track of all purchases. I wonder why they’re doing that? Something, something. Legislation leads to Registration, leads to Confiscation, leads to Extermination. That’s the game. It doesn’t go into detail regarding if he’s challenging the court’s summary judgment. I would. This is insanity for the for them to not be allowed. There was no dispute that everything was done legally and that the AG is weaponizing the SAFE office to go after gun shops. Because now they’re trying to do that. Teddy Nappen 07:23 I love the Left’s term. They’re trying to coin the term, food desert. Which, by the way, a food desert is a myth. You can. That’s ridiculous. And now they’re trying to do news deserts with the defunding of PBS. Well, here’s the actual strategy, gun deserts. That is their goal. Gun deserts. Fine. You can have your rights. Good luck trying to get a firearm. And they’re trying to go after these shops any way they can. And this is the highlight of Platkin’s career, as there have been many things that he has done when he was appointed by Governor Murphy. This is going off of the Democrat Attorney General Association, which is one heck of a group. (https://dems.ag/profile/matthew-platkin/) You can just see here are all the gun rights oppressors all listed out, and they’re pushed to go after our rights. He has launched his attacks, and all this is on his website. Page 2 of 6 Teddy Nappen 08:20 He’s bragging about his attacks. I love this. He sent a letter to Glock after suing them. A letter being issued by the City of Chicago in that where they march, they Chicago had filed suits against Glock, knowing their guns can be easily adopted to make into a machine gun with the addition of an auto sear. I love how they always tote the auto seer. They always try to drag those things in every single time. Really, that’s the threat? The current issue of crime that people do? Yeah, the massive influx of auto sears. Yeah, that’s the real problem. And the City said machine guns have become a weapon of choice for the criminals of Chicago. Yeah, yeah. Not the fact that it’s just a pistol, typically, not an actual machine gun, like. And the letter detailing that they had sent out basically modification to Glock handguns through the use of switches. How Glock pistols are designed to develop a function as semiotic, any efforts Glock may have taken in considering and Glocks knowledge about all state and federal laws regulating the Glock switches and converting Glock machine guns. Legal responsibility as a manufacturer these guns, whether they follow the law and financial details about Glock pistols, including profits, manufacturing, distribution costs. Oh, that’s nice. Yeah, Glock just hand over all their details on who you’ve been selling to, who’s been buying and selling Glock pistols, and keep track of those. That’s always the goal they want. It’s all about control, yeah. And then they highlighted their suit against Glock for violating state firearm industries for New Jersey. Teddy Nappen 10:19 And then, of course, he tacked himself on with 20 other Attorney Generals in their amicus brief on the new federal rule regarding ghost guns. Ghost guns. Unserialized weapons that are often made at home – kits, parts, completely framed receivers. It can be purchased without any background check. Such weapons are illegal in New Jersey. The rule would ensure that buyers pass background checks before purchasing such kits. They see here, just trying to justify the gun control movement by going after Glock switches, ghost guns and targeting dealers because that is all they have now. They know they can’t win in any other form of attacks, and now they’re going to sue us out of our rights. That’s the only thing left they have. Teddy Nappen 11:20 And I also love this one, too. He also spearheaded with the SAFE office to install an app for legal swatting, essentially. This comes from New Jersey Health and News, which, that’s the whole goal. The app will be available for download on mobile devices. It allows you to submit anonymous reporting. Youth and Families can anonymously request help for mental health issues, housing and food security, domestic violence. There it is. Among other concerns, the initial builds the existence of the NJ DOH school-based infrastructure already providing the opportunity to New Jersey’s highest need districts by connecting with existing youth family wellness programs currently in New Jersey school district safe. New Jersey will become a key element of the continuum service provided by the new NJ DOH, aimed at keeping students, staff and families safe. Teddy Nappen 12:17 What does that mean? Now, you have anonymous reporting where someone can say something. Oh, a kid disagrees with his father and downloads the app. He writes that my father is a gun owner, and we had an argument. And now you submit that and, boom, Red Flag. That’s how they do it. They want to make it easy because that’s what they do. That’s what they want to do. To create this legalized swatting. And they always tie it to “stop school violence” or to “improve school safety”. They always highlight that. You know, I’m waiting for when these app, when they actually can see the abuse that Page 3 of 6 comes into play and see the messages that are actually posted on there. Because what? Someone says that, and you’re just taking the word from an anonymous post from them, and that destroys lives. Teddy Nappen 13:19 We’ve seen this time and time again. We’ve seen people where, you know, the domestic violence is the he annoyed me or he threw pretzels at me. That level of domestic violence. And that’s how lives are destroyed. That’s how rights are destroyed, are taken. And this is what Platkin’s goal. This is what he wants to do. And you see that where the whole game is that they’re trying to aim for. They want to sue our rights into oblivion. And God forbid you are ever in a moment where you need to use your firearm for self-defense. Because that’s the only thing else they can do. They’ll take you to court, and more than likely, they’ll lose. But they don’t care. They’ll destroy your life. They’ll tote you out there and turn you into Daniel Penny or Kyle Rittenhouse, trying to destroy your character when they were both fully justified in their actions and proven not guilty. It’s something that definitely the fight goes on. Always, when it comes to these individuals. Teddy Nappen 14:25 So, I think we need a cheerier note on when you are carrying and you need to prep yourselves. You guys should go out to our buddies at WeShoot. WeShoot offers the classes to get your CCARE certifications so you can get your New Jersey Permit to Carry. WeShoot is a range in Lakewood, New Jersey. They have fantastic facilities with great training and a great pro shop. They have all kinds of deals and specials. We love WeShoot. That’s where myself and my father go and where we got our Certifications. Just go there and mention Gun Lawyer, and you’ll be treated like royalty. And if you don’t mention Gun Lawyer, you’ll still be treated like royalty. Because they’re the best. WeShootusa.com is their website with beautiful photos, and you don’t want to miss the WeShoot girls that are posing with gorgeous guns. And those the guns that they have, that you can buy, and they have great deals, great sales. They can not only sell you the guns, but also teach you how to effectively use them. Check out weshootusa.com. WeShoot is conveniently located in Lakewood, New Jersey, right off the Parkway. You’ll be glad you did it. Teddy Nappen 15:40 And again, going at the legality of currently fighting the good fight against the gun rights oppressors and laws that are in New Jersey. Let’s talk about our friends at the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. ANJRPC just had a decision in federal court where the Appellate Court gave a mixed win at the moment. But, of course, the fight isn’t over. We’ll call it a partial victory regarding “sensitive places”, the Carry Killer bill, essentially what the status quo is at the moment has been maintained. You can still carry in your vehicle with the carjacker protection law that has still been enjoined. You can conceal carry loaded on your person in your vehicle with a New Jersey Permit to Carry. That is still enjoined. And you can do that because, remember the Carry Kill Bill tried to prevent that. You can still go on your property, private property, as long as it’s open to the public and not otherwise a “sensitive place”. Teddy Nappen 16:40 We lost a little bit in terms of filming locations, in terms of movie filming, and in terms of transporting on public transportation. You’re going to have to have a gun case to unload, etc. if you’re going to be riding the bus or the train. That’s still been enjoyed. You can still, you going into. However, interestingly, they found that the $200 fee that was $50 portion that goes to the State was unlawful. Unlawful because it was to the VCCB, which is the Victims Crime Compensation Board. Under case law, you cannot have a fee for a licensing not go to an actual regulatory activity. That is the purpose of the fee. That has been Page 4 of 6 knocked out. So, now the price for the New Jersey Carry Permit is $150, and if you live in any of those towns that are refunding it, such as Englishtown, which was one of the first started, we’re seeing refunding their $150. So, you can actually get the Carry Permit in New Jersey for free. And the fight continues. This is just one step that we go along challenging the Second Amendment oppressionists legislation that they lay upon, that they lay upon us. And the Association is at the forefront. They are the spearhead. They are fighting for your rights. Make sure you are a member anjrpc.org. That is anjrpc.org. Teddy Nappen 18:21 And why not? I will shamelessly plug my father’s book, which is New Jersey Gun Law. It is the Bible of New Jersey gun laws. You can get your copy of New Jersey Gun Law at EvanNappen.com, and you’ll be glad you did it. Because you can keep yourself out of the Gun Owner Gulag by familiarizing yourself with the various rights and issues that are, that keep coming up in New Jersey. It’ll help you navigate the complexity of the laws and all the traps that have been laid out by the gun rights oppressionists who try to trip you up and turn you into a criminal. You’ll need to be a defender instead of a victim, especially since the police have no duty to protect you. And now you know the book. You’ll be glad you got it. Go to EvanNappen.com, and you’ll see the big orange book. Order it today, and when you get it, scan the front cover. Make sure you get into the private subscriber base. You’ll have immediate access to the archives so your book stays up to date. We’ll be sending out updates, and you can download the 2025 Comprehensive Update that includes a new standalone chapter on “sensitive places”, where you can or cannot carry. So, check it out today. Teddy Nappen 19:45 And with that Press Checks. I don’t know if you guys have been seeing this online, and I just thought it was hilarious. I think we need a bit of levity. The Democrat nominee known as Mikie Sherrill, I love this, went on a podcast interview. (https://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/virginia-native-mikie-sherrill-says- nobody-likes-gross-pork-roll-in-new-jersey/) They were doing a fluff piece about New Jersey. Just a highlight. She’s Virginia-born Congresswoman Mikie Sherrill, and she goes on there. And then, of course, New Jersey asks the question, hey, Taylor ham or pork roll? So, she says, Taylor ham. First of all, she just violated federal law by calling it Taylor ham. It’s not Taylor ham. It’s pork roll. That was our most popular episode here on Gun Lawyer. But what she added, followed up with, that is hilarious. She went and said, who eats pork roll? Not me. I think that’s gross. I don’t even know what it is. Teddy Nappen 20:40 Oh, my God. You are running for the New Jersey Governor. I mean, it’s the state sandwich. It’s pork roll. The disconnect on this woman to say that I don’t like pork roll. Pork roll is gross. Just how tone deaf do you have to be? I mean, no wonder it’s so close where it’s 43/43. Like that would knock a good chunk of people out of there. She doesn’t even know what it is. You know what it is. It is the taste of freedom, the last bit of freedom that is in New Jersey when you bite into a pork roll, egg and cheese on a hard roll. That sandwich with just a little bit of ketchup. Gotta add the ketchup. Just adds to the flavor. You’ve got to do it. That sandwich is very symbol and hope that is in New Jersey. And she says, oh, it’s gross. And of course, her opponent, Jack Ciattarelli, jumped on it. Where he says, I do. And holding, sure enough, the pork roll, egg and cheese on a hard roll. I didn’t see the ketchup, though, but I won’t hold that against him. He says, you can call it Taylor ham or pork roll. Look, I won’t hold it against him. He should just call it pork roll. But I tell you this right now, if he’s listening, if your campaign is listening to this, here’s your ad. “Mikie doesn’t like it.” Just bumper stickers up and down. Mikie doesn’t like it, and show a picture of a pork roll. That is an effective advertisement. You know, Trump had “Kamala’s for Page 5 of 6 they/them, I’m for you.” Mikie doesn’t like it. Just put that everywhere, and that will win you the day. What are the ultimate like political befuddles? How can you say pork roll is gross when you’re running for the governorship of New Jersey? Teddy Nappen 22:40 So, we will end with the GOFU, which is the Gun Owner Fuck Up. This is something I’m highlighting as more of a practical rule, count your bullets. What do I mean by that? Whenever you have to take out your firearm and unload, when you’re D gunning, or if you’re traveling, I highly recommend having one of those ammo cases. So, you can check your ammunition and see the count. Because we’ve had too many people where they go to the range or go somewhere and they have loose ammunition that they didn’t know fell out of their mag, which happens. It happens sometimes. And then, you know, he’s pulling up to a school, and the loose round falls out the car. It just creates a whole issue right there, and you’re setting yourself up for the landmine that is New Jersey. Count your bullets, and always check your mags. Make sure you have an accurate count. Okay? That is something that you need to do. Because if you’re not accurate, loose ammunition, bullets fall out, randomly found in pockets, found in suitcases when you go into the airport. Count your ammunition. And with that, this is Teddy Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from criminals. They protect criminals honest citizens. Speaker 2 24:07 Gun Lawyer is a CounterThink Media production. The music used in this broadcast was managed by Cosmo Music, New York, New York. 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Episode 258-How to Protect Your House of Worship Also Available On Searchable Podcast Transcript Gun Lawyer — Episode 258 Transcript SUMMARY KEYWORDS Supreme Court case, Wolford vs. Lopez, sensitive places, New Jersey law, carry permit, church security, stun gun, pepper spray, gun violence, anthropomorphic traits, Second Amendment, gun rights, gun laws, gun storage, GOFOU. SPEAKERS Teddy Nappen, Evan Nappen, Speaker 2 Evan Nappen 00:15 I’m Evan Nappen. Teddy Nappen 00:17 And I’m Teddy Nappen. Evan Nappen 00:19 And welcome to Gun Lawyer. So, I received a letter that I want to talk about that has an important issue in these times. But before I even get to that, I just want to make an announcement. The Supreme Court of the United States just accepted a gun case. So, this is very exciting because we’re now going to get another Supreme Court decision. This case is the Wolford versus Lopez (U.S. Supreme Court Docket No. 24-1046) out of Hawaii, which will most likely impact New Jersey as well. (https://www.scotusblog.com/cases/case-files/wolford-v-lopez/) Because the key issue here is “sensitive places”, specifically, Hawaii’s sensitive place law that requires express permission from a property owner to carry a handgun on private property that is open to the public. Evan Nappen 01:15 Now, New Jersey has that same type of sensitive place. However, in New Jersey, we won on that one in the court challenge so far in which the requirement that originally stated you had to have permission before you went on any private property, whether open to the public or not. New Jersey split it and said, no, if it’s open to the public, you don’t need that prior permission or a sign hanging on the building that says, we love guns or, you know, come on in. But in Hawaii, the court upheld actually needing permission from a property owner for property that is open to the public. So, for example, in Hawaii, if you have a carry license, you can’t walk into a 7-11 with your gun unless you have expressed permission to go on that private property that’s open to the public. In New Jersey, that is not the case. In New Jersey, you can go into 7-11, but you can’t go into private property that is not open to the public. So, if you’re going to visit your friend, well, your friend better give you permission before you carry your gun there. Page – 1 – of 8 Evan Nappen 02:33 But what makes this exciting is that the Court, hopefully, in addressing this issue will give us a framework to evaluate other sensitive places, and it may very well have the impact of annihilating most, if not all, of New Jersey’s sensitive places, at least with a test to test their constitutionality. And by the way, the Hawaii challenge is broad and also in their sensitive places, banned guns on beaches, parks, and restaurants that serve alcohol, just like New Jersey has. So, we’ll see how far the Supreme Court goes in its analysis and if it sets up a framework for challenging sensitive place laws that we’re currently in the fight with the State of New Jersey. You know, our great state Association, the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol clubs, has the ongoing federal litigation challenging New Jersey’s Carry Killer bill, and this should be of great benefit in our fight for Second Amendment rights. Now. Teddy Nappen 03:46 Out of curiosity, if for the sake of argument, Saint Justice Thomas is listening to Gun Lawyer, what would be the best frame? Evan Nappen 03:58 Well, that is a very difficult question as to how they will structure the test. Now, one thing that would be just awesome is, but I don’t think it would fly necessarily, is they just say, hey, these are the only sensitive places that are sensitive places, and make it crystal clear that none of the others count. But I don’t think they’re going to do that. They’re probably going to try to structure some type of test and that’s something that we’re going to have to wait and see. I can’t even put forward a test at this time that would cut the bill, but that’s why the Supreme Court Justices get the big bucks. And let’s hope they put a test out there that is makes it pretty narrow as to where our rights get restricted. So, we’ll see how that works. Evan Nappen 04:52 But in a similar vein, we have a letter here, and this letter is from Chuck. And what Chuck says is, is it legal to carry and use a stun gun or pepper ball dispensing air gun? I have a concealed carry (permit) but am considering other options. We are in the process of a Church security assessment, and I was thinking this and pepper spray would be a good option, less expensive, requiring less training and risk, if used in a less than appropriate manner. As a note, I enjoy your podcast weekly, and I’m a U.S. Law Shield member. Thank you and Peace. Okay, Chuck, thanks. So, as far as the stun gun and/or pepper ball deal, we’re still stuck under the current case law that makes it a problem to preemptively arm yourself for self-defense outside the home with a stun gun or pepper ball type device. You can possess them, and you can have them in your home, but not outside your home. And here we’re talking about in a Church. So, unfortunately, until we get it acknowledged officially in a case, I can’t advise just carrying those around. You have a problem under N.J.S. 2C:39-6, and it is subsection d. specifically, regarding preemptively arming oneself for self-defense outside the home. So, beware of that. Now on pepper spray, you would be allowed to carry three quarters of an ounce or less, which is a rather small container. That is the only pepper spray that’s exempted. Evan Nappen 06:45 But if you’re going to talk about church security, and we want to talk about lethal security, can you carry your handgun at your house of worship, whether it’s a church, a synagogue, mosque, whatever? Can Page – 2 – of 8 you do that? And the answer is yes. Houses of worship are not a sensitive place under New Jersey’s Carry Killer law. So, you are allowed to, at least you’re not prohibited from having your legal carry gun that you have a permit for at house of worship. If you participate in that house of worship’s security, that’s up to you, but you would be allowed to carry your gun. However, the danger, or the trap you have to watch out for is, since many houses of worship also happen to have schools – Sunday school, Saturday school, whatever the school is, where it’s part of that facility, then that section that is the school takes on the “sensitive place” designation of a prohibited sensitive place for a school. So, if there’s a separate part of the building or a separate room where the school is, but in the general congregation area, that’s not a school ground, you can carry there. But you can’t go into the school part. Evan Nappen 08:17 So, if the security team wants to be able to lawfully carry in the part of the house of worship that is a school, then we have to overcome two prohibitions. One is New Jersey’s sensitive place prohibition, but the other is a law that is under N.J.S. 2C:39-5.e.. This also can set a trap for the unsuspecting just basically dealing with any school property. So, New Jersey sensitive place says you can’t have it. You can’t carry have your gun into a school. However, if you pull into a parking lot of a sensitive place, New Jersey says, oh, well, you can unload it, lock it, unloaded in a box in your car, and you’re okay if you do that. However, that would satisfy, even though that would satisfy the “sensitive place” prohibition at a school, it does not satisfy the second and other prohibition, which is found under 2C:39-5.e. And what that says is, any person who knowingly has in his possession any firearm in or upon any part of the buildings or grounds of any school, college, university or other educational institution, without the written authorization of the governing officer of the institution, is guilty of a crime. So, if you park on the grounds of the school, even to pick up your child or to go into the school and you use the exemption found under “sensitive places”, it will not cover you for the other school property prohibition. So, be wary. It is a trap. It can be a big GOFU. Evan Nappen 10:32 But let’s say you’re in the Church and you want to have your security team be able to go into the school. Well, there is a way to work around that. So, as you can see, as we just read, if there’s permission, written authorization of the governing officer of the institution, then you would overcome the 39-5.e. prohibition. However, how do you overcome the sensitive place prohibition? Because now we’re talking not just being in the parking lot, but we’re talking about actually being in the school itself, within the house of worship. Well, for that, we go to the sensitive place law, which you’ll find under N.J.S. 2C:58-4.6 and go there to subsection e. And what it says is, nothing in this act shall be construed to prohibit the holder of a valid and lawfully issued permit, in other words, a carry permit, who is lawfully authorized to provide security at a place enumerated in those sensitive places from carrying a firearm, whether openly or concealed, provided that the authorization is set forth in writing, and only to the extent permitted by the entity responsible for security at the place in question. Evan Nappen 12:03 So, if you get written authorization covering you for the first prohibition that we talked with and then if you get that written authorization that can cover you here, there’s one added thing you have to do. You have to be able to be lawfully authorized to provide security. So, who’s lawfully authorized to provide Page – 3 – of 8 security in New Jersey? Those that have a SORA (Security Officer Registration Act) card. (https://nj.gov/njsp/private-detective/sora-help.shtml) If you’re on the church or synagogue or mosque House of Worship security team and you want to fully have the exemptions apply to you, you’re going to need to have SORA card and your carry permit. You can then be exempted with the written authorization, as we’ve discussed, and it will give you the ability to have the full access to those grounds without being in violation of either school or other sensitive place prohibitions. So, thanks for a great question, Chuck. Evan Nappen 13:15 I also have a letter here, and this is from Jay. Jay says, I listen to your blogs regularly. I want to really thank you for the service you provided guarding our constitutional rights. I had two questions, but he actually has three questions. So, I don’t know, but we’ll do all three. Number One – are cross shoulder straps allowed as a holster for concealed carry in New Jersey? So, I’m assuming what you mean by cross shoulder straps, meaning a shoulder holster. You know, the rig that you carry essentially under your arm, and it has the straps that you put both your arms through. Some are made even just for a one arm through where you have it. And the answer to that would be yes, as long as the holster itself stays concealed and qualifies as a holster that covers the trigger and the body of the firearm and secures it properly. As long as the holster part does that and you have it concealed, then having it in a shoulder holster, we’ll just generally use that term, would be fine. It’s the holster itself that has to meet the criteria to be a legal holster. And then, of course, you have to keep it concealed. So, keep that jacket on over that shoulder holster. Evan Nappen 14:38 Two, it says private residences in New Jersey with no sign saying firearms prohibited, and the answer, as I discussed previously, is no. If it’s a private residence with no sign, you’re going to have to get, you know, consent verbally, or else you’re not allowed even if you’re invited into the private residence. The prohibition on private property that’s not open to the public is still in effect. And then the other question is, are trigger locks considered locks? What about a trigger lock in a gun safe? Well, trigger locks are locks. But the question really is, if your gun has a trigger lock, is that the same as having it in a locked container? No, because there the container itself has to be locked. So, if you’re using a trigger lock, yeah, that can provide that your gun is locked. But what is often found in these exemptions is the need not just to have it locked, but to have it in a locked container. That’s what’s going to give you the maximum coverage, and that’s the point. So, if you want to have a trigger lock and have it in a locked container, feel free. If you want to have it locked in your safe, okay, you can have a trigger lock on the gun in your safe. But the trigger lock itself, generally speaking, is not going to get you the exemptive coverage that you’re most likely looking for. Evan Nappen 16:11 Now, here’s something that caught my attention that I found to be very interesting. This was an article in AmmoLand, and I really like it because it actually gave me an argument about something that has been bothering me and that we’ve discussed before. This is an article called “Why Gun Grabbers Say ‘Gun Violence’ Instead of Addressing Real Problems” by Dan Wos. (https://www.ammoland.com/2025/09/why-gun-grabbers-say-gun-violence-instead-of-addressing-real- problems/) Now this is an excellent point, and I want you all to let this sink in. You know, we’ve talked Page – 4 – of 8 about the propaganda use of the term “gun violence” and how it’s really “criminal violence” and how it’s a propaganda term. But what I really, really, like about this article is it took it to another level, which really kind of gave me a bit of an epiphany here. So, I really want to thank Dan for pointing this out. Evan Nappen 17:09 Let me read a quote here from this article. “To vilify guns, the political left has made it a point to attach human traits to firearms, for the purpose of animating them. They do this as often as possible. They understand that when a human element is involved, causality and intention can be used for emotional leverage. In other words, by attaching the word ‘violence’ to the word ‘gun’ and attaching the word ‘assault’ to the word ‘rifle’, the anti-gunner can peddle the notion that the firearm has behavioral tendencies.” Brilliant, brilliant. That’s exactly it. In other words, what the antis are doing is anthropomorphic. (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anthropomorphic) They are acting and creating anthropomorphic qualities to a gun. So, when we’re talking about something being anthropomorphic, we’re talking about giving something human characteristics or traits that it wouldn’t have. Evan Nappen 18:25 Children love anthropomorphic cartoons, talking bears, talking rabbits, etc. Bears and rabbits don’t talk, but if you give them human qualities, they do. That is a form of anthropomorphic trait, giving right there. Giving it the human element. So, by doing that to the term “violence” and taking that term “violence” and attaching it to a “gun”, guns are not violent. People are violent. Violence is a human attribute, not a gun attribute. Guns don’t go around acting violent. People do. So, this is a brilliant part. The same with so-called “assault firearms” in New Jersey. Firearms don’t assault anyone. People assault. So, this is the trick. This is the propaganda tactic. This is a technique used by the Second Amendment oppressors to use the anthropomorphic term. And when they do, folks, call them out on it. I know from now on I will. Because once you can identify the propaganda technique, once you can call them out on it, you cut them off at the knees. Tell them – do not add human characteristics to an inanimate object. That is false and a lie, and you’re treating us as children by trying to make bears talk. That’s not how it works. Excellent point. Keep it in mind when dealing with those propaganda terms put out by the Second Amendment oppressors. Evan Nappen 20:19 And now let me mention our good friends at WeShoot. So, WeShoot is range in Lakewood, where Teddy and I both shoot. An indoor range, and a great place. We love WeShoot. And this week WeShoot has some really great specials. They’re offering the SIG Sauer P320 Spectre Comp Blackout. I’ve got to tell you, folks. This is one really cool looking gun. You’ve got to see what this Spectre Comp Blackout looks like. It’s really hot. I’m digging it. Definitely. And they have it at WeShoot. And it is a showstopper. It has an integrated compensator, laser-engraved grip, and full blackout finish. It’s built for performance and style. They also have a beautiful Smith & Wesson 640, that’s the J-frame, but it’s in .357 mag. It’s stainless. It is simplicity. It is one of my favorite pocket rockets, and this one is really beautiful. It has engraving and a gorgeous grip. Check out that Smith 640 that WeShoot has. They’re also offering a Riley Defense RAK47. It’s an American-made AK with forged trunnions, wood furniture, and that iconic 7.62 by 39 punch. And it is New Jersey compliant. Of course, it is. You can have a New Jersey compliant AK, because that’s the only guns that WeShoot would ever sell. They are completely Page – 5 – of 8 compliant under New Jersey law. So, check out those guns at WeShoot. You can go there, and you can get some great range time in. Or get some awesome training. It is the place where I got my certification, and Teddy got his certification. You can get your certification. Check out WeShoot, conveniently located right off the Parkway. It is really a fantastic range, and I know you’ll love it. Check out their website at weshootusa.com. Evan Nappen 22:26 I also want to mention our great state association. Like I said, they’re battling right now in that case on the Carry Killer challenge. They are also challenging the so-called assault firearm law. That is a term actually in New Jersey law, believe it or not. A term in New Jersey law that has given human characteristics to a gun. It’s in our statutes, making talking bears as a prohibition. That’s right, that’s what New Jersey’s done. They’ve done it as well, when you think about it, with ghost guns. Whoo. Well, what’s a ghost? A ghost is a human spirit. Let’s give it human spirit ghost characteristics like Casper. Back to childhood cartooning to grab that emotional response. Once you see the light on this, it’s clear how the antis play this game. But our state Association is on it. They are absolutely on it. We are fighting the good fight, and we’re making progress. So, you need to be a member of the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. Make sure that you are go to anjrpc.org. Go to anjrpc.org. Join today and be a member. Evan Nappen 24:01 And let me mention, make sure I do, my book, New Jersey Gun Law. It’s the Bible of New Jersey gun law. Make sure you get and have my book. It’ll help you navigate through the treacherous waters of New Jersey gun laws. They constantly lay out potential GOFUs and other traps to disenfranchise us of our gun rights and to continue the movement of gun rights oppression. Don’t fall for it. Protect yourself. Get a copy of my book. Just go to EvanNappen.com and order your copy today. You’ll be glad you did. It’s over 120 topics, all Question and Answer. Made easy to understand. That’s how I wrote it. It’s a labor of love, folks. Get your copy today. Teddy, what do you have for us? Teddy Nappen 24:52 Well, as we know, Press Checks are always free. And anytime you hear where the anti-gunners try to run cover, and they say, we don’t want to take your guns where. No, that’s not what we want to do. That’s not what we want. It’s always common sense. They always sell it with common sense. Well, if you ever want to look towards the future, if the Left were ever left with unvetted power, where they had, you know, the Supreme Court, they had the house, they had the presidency. What would that look like? Look to Canada. They have just kicked off and are actually disarmament. Going through. They finally did it. The Mad Men. They established the program where they’re tackling assault style firearms, even though the list is about over 1500 types of guns. So, practically anything that falls under assault type firearms, they are now going through and doing mandatory. I love, I love the term. They always do. It’s a voluntary program. Although if you do not participate, you will be unable to seek compensation, and you will have to dispose of the prohibited firearm by exporting, deactivating or turning them into police without compensation. But it’s voluntary. It’s just quite disgusting. And this is right off of the Canadian website of the public safety aspect of their, which, you know, it’s Canada state run. (https://www.canada.ca/en/public-safety-canada/news/2025/09/government-of-canada-moves-forward- with-the-assault-style-firearms-compensation-program-for-individual-firearms-owners.html) From the Page – 6 – of 8 BC Firearms Academy in Canada, they list off the wonderful price ranges they offer for firearms if you turn it in. Evan Nappen 26:48 I’m sure it’s quite generous, huh? Teddy Nappen 26:50 Oh, absolutely. So, if you have a tactical style .22 rifle, it’s about $150 to $300. Pistol, caliber carbines, tactical rim fire, or certain shotguns, that is $400 to $800. For a high range being AR-15 variants, Ruger Mini 14s, or other military-style semi automatics, it’s about 1000 to 1052. And in the special cases of Alexander Arms off, burn off, burnt. Evan Nappen 27:34 Yeah, well, Alexander Arms is a manufacturer, yes. Teddy Nappen 27:39 I don’t know this particular gun that they’re referencing. They said, you must call the program and we’ll determine compensation. But what they have from their ranges, it goes up to $1,520 max. Evan Nappen 27:54 Wait, remember, that’s in Canadian dollars. Teddy Nappen 27:56 I know. Monopoly money, so it is less. Evan Nappen 27:58 Oh, yeah. Well, it is not surprising. It’s really a shame, and they keep running these gun boondoggles. Like their registration scheme they spent billions on and then trashed it. And I bet you a number of the Provinces are not going to stand for it, the conservative provinces that actually want to even try to have Canadians have their so-called rights. But man, one thing to be thankful for is that we’re not there yet. Although they’re trying to do it in America as well. Believe me, if the gun rights oppressionists had their way, they would try to do it here. And I’m sure they’ll try to point to Canada, as they do Australia, for the same and the formerly Great Britain. You know, this is what they do. So, we’ve got to keep an eye on what they do around the world. But, of course, we’re here, and the one thing is, what we’re blessed with, which none of these other countries have, is an actual Second Amendment right, which is a guarantee of our right to keep and bear arms. Evan Nappen 29:19 Hey, let me tell you about the GOFU. This week’s GOFU is from a case that’s actually in the news. This is right out of nj.com. Bergen County SWAT team called to New Jersey hospital after man pulls out handgun. (https://www.nj.com/bergen/2025/10/swat-team-called-to-nj-hospital-after-man-pulls-out- handgun.html) Well, what happened here? The hospital in Bergen County was placed on lockdown after a man entered the intake area with a handgun. And guess what he did? He took out his gun. “Had removed a handgun from his person and slammed it on a table.” Slammed it, folks. Yeah, right. He Page – 7 – of 8 slammed it. The hospital was placed on a divert status and a shelter-in-place order was implemented. Well silver, yeah. So, what? Bergen Swat. Yeah, Bergen SWAT and every and guess what? This man removed his nine millimeter from his holster during intake prior to a physical exam. And it says right in the article, “Officers later determined the man had a carry permit, but he failed to produce proof.” He had one, but he’s charged under New Jersey sensitive locations. Evan Nappen 30:40 Okay, look, folks. Medical facilities are a sensitive location. You can’t bring your gun there. So, he brought his gun there, and then he took it out. I guess even we could speculate that he thought maybe it would be best just to remove it so that it wouldn’t be a problem. But that’s not what you do. And then, of course, when police come, you’re required to show your permit, and if you don’t have your permit on you, that itself is an offense in New Jersey. So, now he’s charged with sensitive place violation, a third degree. He’s looking at up to five years in State Prison, and he’s charged with the failure to have his permit on him, which is disorderly person defense. He’s looking at up to six months in county jail. So, it’s a GOFU. Evan Nappen 31:31 So, what do you do if you end up where you realize you’re in a sensitive place and you shouldn’t have your gun? Make an excuse and get out. Get out and secure it properly. Don’t go pulling it out in the sensitive place. Talk about a total GOFU. Now all you’ve done is create enormous problems for yourself, and it is a classic GOFU. Don’t think there’s going to be anybody being reasonable here. You need to know the sensitive places. You have to be completely conscious about where the sensitive places are. And if you find yourself that you happen to be in one, take the remedial action. Get out and lock it in your car. Every one of your cars, if you have a gun and you carry the carry, better have a lock box in it. You better have one. It’s part of your gear, your permanent travel gear in your vehicle, so that you can secure your gun properly under sensitive place. If you end up going to a restaurant and you see they’re serving alcohol there, whoops. Get back to your car and secure it. And keep your mouth shut. You have a Fifth Amendment right against self- incrimination. So, don’t be stupid. And that’s what GOFUs are, unfortunately. Based a lot on ignorance. Evan Nappen 33:05 This is Evan Nappen and Teddy Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from criminals. 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Episode 257-“86” the 4473 Also Available On Searchable Podcast Transcript Gun Lawyer — Episode 257 Transcript SUMMARY KEYWORDS Second Amendment, gun laws, opposition research, non-binary, 4473 form, background check, gun violence, mental illness, gun rights, ATF, National Shooting Sports Foundation, straw purchases, gun control, sensitive places, New Jersey gun law. SPEAKERS Evan Nappen, Speaker 2, Teddy Nappen Evan Nappen 00:15 I’m Evan Nappen. Teddy Nappen 00:17 And I’m Teddy Nappen. Evan Nappen 00:19 And welcome to Gun Lawyer. So, as many of you know, we do what is called oppo research, opposition research. We not only review continuously, just probably a dozen every day of various aggregate news sites and services related to firearms, both pro-Second Amendment rights, and, of course, those that are oppressors of our Second Amendment rights. And one of the key oppressors is Bloomturd’s organization “Everytown” and their mouthpiece, “The Trace”. However, The Trace, and I have to say often to their credit, does have stories that, although are completely slanted to supporting gun rights oppression, often reveal very important things that are not revealed on the pro-gun rights sites. Evan Nappen 01:25 It is very interesting, and that is what I want to talk about today, because the trace had a very important story. Of course, it shows the dichotomy on the left, and it demonstrates, of course, left hypocrisy and gun rights oppressor hypocrisy. But nonetheless, this is an article from The Trace by Will Van Sant, and the title is, “Buying a Gun Is About to Get More Complicated for Nonbinary People”. (https://www.thetrace.org/2025/09/gun-background-check-nonbinary-trump-atf/) Now, we’ve discussed this very sensitive and complicated issue of trans, what the oppressors like to call gun violence. So, how about trans gun violence? You want to add that to it? No, no. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Yeah, right. Because it has nothing to do with either of those two prefaces? It has to do with criminal violence, doesn’t it? But once they’ve stepped into this slippery slope and we start putting things into identifiable groups and using propaganda terms like gun violence, well this is what happens. Evan Nappen 02:40 And so, of course, now the left is getting their ox gored, yeah, which essentially is their entire trans agenda. And whether you are in favor of that agenda or against that agenda, it doesn’t matter in terms Page – 1 – of 12of this discussion. Because what we see is what is seriously the bigger picture, and that is our Second Amendment rights. And although the case can be made that there’s greater mental illness amongst trans, as I’ve talked about from the official studies through these Government agencies that look at it, that there is that factor, it still doesn’t mean that, as a group, anybody should end up prohibited. And of course, my personal Second Amendment belief is that nobody should be prohibited. As a matter of fact, if you want to get right down to it, I don’t think we should have any gun laws. That’s right. None. Other than for unlawful use. That’s right. Put it back the way it was meant to be under the Second Amendment. That’s it. Use a gun to commit a crime, to do something wrong, what we call a malum in se offense, something evil within itself. Then that is the crime. Anything else is a mallum prohibitum. Evan Nappen 04:05 Now I get it. I get it. Because we don’t live in that utopia of being able to go back to actual pure freedom, God forbid. So, we’re in this situation where there is an attempt to in our society that loves to sue all the time. We need to protect gun dealers. So, oddly and interestingly, the National Instant Check System (NICS) and essentially even the gun form itself. And, of course, PLCAA (Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act). These are all designed to protect gun dealers. Now, on one hand, you should say, why should guns even be required to be licensed to be sold by dealers? I mean, that wasn’t something that was originally required. There were no gun dealers at the time of the Second Amendment that needed a license. Or at the time of the Civil War that needed a license. But we now have this reality that we deal with, and unfortunately, it’s grown to where, in effect, weaponization by either political party can take place. Evan Nappen 05:15 In reality, the 4473, which is the federal form that you fill out to buy a gun. There is no need for it at all. Okay? We should 86 the 4473 and let me tell you why. We have this so-called background check when you buy a gun from a dealer. Why do you have to fill out any form at all? Why can’t you just show your Government-approved identification, which is normally a driver’s license, and then run the NICS check. You’re either approved or denied. Why do we have to fill out a form? Why do we have to fill out a form with all this information, answering all these questions? Because it is a trap. It is a trap designed to catch people who apparently and often inadvertently may give a wrong answer, because it’s so complicated. Do you know whether your juvenile mental health commitment from 20 years ago is now being viewed as an involuntary commitment or not? Did you realize whether or not your juvenile delinquency conviction is somehow a disqualifier? Did you realize that the old misdemeanor offense from years ago happened to be qualified as domestic violence, so you’re actually a prohibited person? I mean, we can go on and on. And what happens is that individuals get caught in this mess when we supposedly have a system that does the check. Evan Nappen 06:54 If you want to identify the buyer, which even that, I would say, shouldn’t even be needed. Shouldn’t even be necessary to happen. But okay. If the idea is for dealers to track who is sold a gun and who’s not, if you pass the Government check and you’ve identified that you’re you, that should be all it takes. But that’s not the reality, is it? It’s not the reality at all. Instead, we have this form. This form is loaded with not only traps, but excess information that is frankly offensive in many ways. All right. So, let’s take a look at, particularly at the moment, the issue regarding how will nonbinary people now have, as The Page – 2 – of 12Trace calls, a complication, which is actually going to end up being a denial of nonbinary people, in many instances, getting a firearm. How will that happen? Well, let me explain. You see on the form, on the 4473, there, is a question that asks about your sex, and it originally was male or female, and that was it. It was based on the science, imagine that. You’re either a man or a woman. Now I know we get into the whole debate as to whether that’s righteous or not, and we don’t even have to go there. Evan Nappen 08:24 Because what further happened is that about 13 states, possibly even more, have enacted for driver’s licenses to say and have a choice of nonbinary. And what we were finding is that under the old form 4473, where you had to be male or female, individuals who had a binary on their driver’s license were denied. They were denied a gun purchase because the form required you to be either male or female, and your ID did not reveal whether you’re male or female. So, anyone with a nonbinary license indication, they were automatically denied their Second Amendment rights because the form did not include nonbinary. Now let me tell you something you may not realize. The addition of nonbinary to the 4473 did not actually necessarily happen because the gun rights oppressors said, hey, wait a minute. We have to make sure that nonbinaries can still buy a gun. No, no. It was actually the National Shooting Sports Foundation, Larry Keane specifically, according to this article, in 2018 and 2019 that requested, okay, that actually asked for. And it says here that Keane coordinated with ATF under the National Shooting Sports Foundation Annual Vegas Trade Show, which we call, of course, what you know of as the Shot Show, made inquiries and they wanted to address it. And guess what? It was added to the form. It was added to the form so that now nonbinary could, in fact, purchase firearms. Evan Nappen 10:44 Well, as you may recall, President Trump issued an Executive Order that throughout the Federal Government, references to anything about nonbinary would be eliminated. From the military to Government Employment, across the board. You’re either male or female, and the gun form is now going to not be any exception to that. Because ATF, according to this article, according to their inside folks at ATF, you know they have the gun rights oppressor moles at ATF, and what is happening is they’re going to remove nonbinary from the 4473. Therefore, we’re going to go back to the old days prior to that 2018-2019 issue. So, people are going to get denied their ability to buy a firearm again from dealers unless their driver’s license or their Government photo ID identifies as male or female. So, this appears to be happening. Evan Nappen 12:05 And so, this is really fascinating. Because now essentially what is of major concern on the Left, you know, the same folks politically behind oppressing our gun rights in The Trace, right? This is a very important issue. Look through the whole Biden administration, and you see this is now going to be a problem. Yet, it was the pro-Second Amendment rights folks that helped to get the initial change. So, this creates a really interesting political dynamic. And by the way, there is a group. I don’t know if you even realize this group exists, but it’s called the Liberal Gun Club. They’re a Left-leaning gun rights group, and their spokesman of the Liberal Gun Club is Lara Smith. According to The Trace, in an interview, she said, I don’t mean to be flippant as it sounds, but we knew, we knew they were going to try this. Now it is not just trans people, it’s people on the Left that they’re going to try and disarm or political dissidents generally. So, she’s raising this issue, which, interestingly, The Trace does say all of Page – 3 – of 12the country’s major gun rights organizations, including the National Rifle Association, the Second Amendment Foundation and Gun Owners of America. And they have to add in, of course, which sees its mission is grounded in the Christian Bible. How about they see their mission as grounded in the Constitution? Like you, folks, at The Trace should, should see it, but whatever. Condemned the reported DOJ discussions. ” I was pleasantly surprised about how quickly these big gun groups came out and said, ‘No, you can’t do this'”. But why is that? Because, of course, gun rights supporters support gun rights, and we’re not going to be hypocrites about it, right? But here’s the bigger issue. The bigger issue is that the 4473, in its entirety, needs to go. It needs to go. Why, for example, are you asked on the 4473 are you Hispanic or not? You have to either admit to your Hispanic heritage or deny Hispanic heritage. What does that have to do with anything? It has nothing. The reason for it. Teddy Nappen 14:42 Wasn’t that to combine with the whole Fast and Furious Operation? Evan Nappen 14:47 Correct! This was part of the anti-gun setup to try to make the so-called Iron Pipeline of guns going to Mexico until it blew up in their face with Fast and Furious where they actually supplied guns to cartels that ended up killing the Agent Kerry and causing havoc by guns supplied by our own Government through that entire fiasco. So, that killed their political approach to trying to ban firearms, particularly semi-automatics, because then they required rifle reporting if you buy more than one rifle, but only along the border states. And this was all part of this push. You would think that pro-Hispanic groups would say, wait a minute, you shouldn’t be discriminating about Hispanic heritage. But it doesn’t stop there. Why are you asked about race at all? Look, if you’re going to tell me that this is to identify who you are, that’s what the ID does. Your driver’s license or photographic Government ID identifies you. You don’t need any of that identification information at all. Not whether you’re male, not whether your female, not with your nonbinary, not whether you’re Hispanic, not whether you’re an, you know, Eskimo. None of that. It doesn’t matter. It’s irrelevant. If they just want to identify the person who’s acquiring the firearm for purposes of their recordkeeping in the acquisition/ disposition books, the driver’s license does it. You don’t need any form for that. And all those questions? Well, look, its real simple, folks, do we have NICS? Do we have a NICS instant check or not? Why do we go beyond that? There’s no reason for it. You should just give your license. It identifies you, if we’re even going to accept that. But okay. If that’s how we have to be, you take your license, and they identify you. They run the NICS check and either you’re approved or denied. That’s it. But that isn’t how it is. Evan Nappen 16:49 So, interestingly, there’s actually some kind of exciting news in The Trace that’s buried in this article. But again, I haven’t read this in any gun rights article, gun rights supporter article. In fact, it’s the oppressors here that reveal this. But it’s actually pretty exciting. Because what it says is that the House Subcommittee on Federal Law Enforcement says the subcommittee that the agency, by the way, through this committee, and this is in the article, is investigating necessary changes to the background check form. And they’re looking to, get a load of this, folks, amend the form so that applicants don’t unwittingly misrepresent their criminal histories. Then, in addition, remove the nonbinary option. So, whether that nonbinary option, you know, gets removed, that becomes a form of gun rights oppression, doesn’t it? On anybody who’s nonbinary and has a license that says it and then is going to be banned. Page – 4 – of 12Yet, on the other side of that coin there, or the other side of their action, apparently, will be reform, at least some reform, to the 4473, which should really be 86ed completely. But at least we’re gaining on part of that statement. Gaining some freedom and gaining some sanity, a bit of it anyway. On modifying that form so that people who may unwittingly make a statement aren’t turned into Federal felons, right? And New Jersey, yeah. Teddy Nappen 18:47 I will say, just as a question, going back to prior to the NICS. Let’s say, go back in time and you go in to buy a gun. What were you signing and filling out prior to the NICS form? What was the process? Just kind of, looking at that line. Evan Nappen 19:02 Well, prior, there was nothing. You could buy guns through the mail, prior to ’68 and all you do, they’d say, do you certify that you’re over, you know, whatever the age was 21 or 18, depending on whatever that company, you know, certifying that you’re of age and certifying that it wasn’t unlawful for you to have a gun. You simply sign that piece of paper or let them know about it, and you bought your gun. It was shipped directly to your door, just like you order anything today on Amazon, just like that. And imagine we regulate firearms that are a Constitutional right to this extreme when you can buy all kinds of things that arguably are just as dangerous in the wrong hands, maybe even more dangerous in the wrong hands. And there’s no issue with that. So, how come, when it comes to guns, something that’s a protected right, we have this. But prior to that, there was no form. There was no requirement for that, and guns could be sent through the mail. Evan Nappen 20:18 But after the Kennedys and Martin Luther King. And in ’68 when, of course, the Democrats had control of the Government, they pushed the ’68 Gun Control Act that ended mail order and created what is to this day, the Federal Firearms License as we now know it, and the form 4473. This is all, you know. It’s been modified over the years, but this is where you saw that history of it take place. So, amending that form to fix injustice in it would be a very good thing if we can’t get rid of it totally. But The Trace further says the quote because this is in response to questions. This is The Trace, I guess, doing their work. And I will give them credit for this, because I haven’t seen it in any of our aggregate pro-Second Amendment rights. It says, “The ATF is in the process of updating and simplifying the Firearms Transaction Form . . .” that’s the 4473. “to make it more concise and user-friendly for both purchasers and federally regulated gun dealers. Additionally, reviews and appropriate changes are being made to ensure consistency with the President’s Executive Order Defending Women From Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government.” Evan Nappen 21:55 So, whether or not you agree with the second part, and like I said, fundamentally, I don’t. Fundamentally, of course, all the major gun groups don’t agree with that second part. Yet, you can understand, I’m sure, President Trump’s position on it. But the first part of it is actually very exciting, because it needs to be amended. It needs to be made more user-friendly. It needs to have that entire revision done at a minimum. So, the first part of it is welcome news to those who support our Second Amendment rights. Page – 5 – of 12Evan Nappen 22:43 And I would also want to just point out a couple quick things that are very, very exciting. Number one, the Department of Justice has filed an amicus brief supporting the NRA and the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs, by the way, challenge to New Jersey’s ban on assault firearms and large capacity magazines. (https://www.nraila.org/articles/20250919/doj-files-amicus-brief-supporting-nra- backed-challenge-to-new-jersey-s-ban-on-assault-firearms-and-large-capacity-magazines) That’s right. The Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs, which is the state affiliate of the NRA, that legal challenge brought by the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs in conjunction with the NRA and with other pro-gun forces in New Jersey. By the way, the Department of Justice of President Trump is taking our side. Our side. For once, the Government is on the side of the Constitution of the Second Amendment. That is great, refreshing news, and very exciting. So, I am thrilled about that. Evan Nappen 23:56 This is one of the major reasons you need to belong to the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. They are the premier gun rights defenders in New Jersey. Every one of my listeners should be a member. Not only does that help us in fighting the shenanigans in Trenton with a full-time paid lobbyist on the alert for all of their Second Amendment oppression that they try to jam into us in BOHICA (Bend Over Here It Comes Again) after BOHICA, we are fighting those very vigorously, but they’re also in the courts. They’re in the courts with that very assault firearm, large capacity magazine challenge, challenging the Carry Killer bill and these others, these other violations of our rights that New Jersey has enacted. So, you want to make sure that you’re a member of our great Association, the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. Go to anjrpc.org and join today. ANJRPC.org. Evan Nappen 25:10 Let me tell you some exciting news about our friends at WeShoot. So, WeShoot is an indoor range in Lakewood, New Jersey, conveniently located off the Parkway. It’s where Teddy and I both shoot and get our training. We love WeShoot. WeShoot has some exciting news. We shoot is now BUL Armory’s, BUL Armory’s, first and only New Jersey dealer. It’s very exciting. I don’t know if you have ever seen BUL Armory products. They are Premier. They are fantastic. If you’ve ever, if you are into the 2011 format, you know, similar to the staccato. And, of course, they’re not calling it 2011 but most you know this as a 2011 where you have the higher capacity, nine millimeter, but utilizing a 1911 setup on the slide. These guns are fantastic, and they are also more reasonable than staccatos. Yet, they are excellent guns. So, I’m a big fan of any anything that shoots. I’m not saying, you know, I’m not putting down staccato. I own a couple, and I love them. But BUL Armory is really in a magnificent price competition, and they are definitely a competitor. They are doing it really, really spectacularly. And if you’ve never shot a BUL Armory firearm, you need to. They also have a line of really cool knives. And, of course, I’m into knives, too. As you know, I have to strictly limit myself. It has to shoot or cut for me to like it. And therefore, their blades are very cool. They even have fixed blades in which the handle utilizes a 1911 grip, very cool. You can check out their blades and their firearms. WeShoot is the first and only exclusive New Jersey dealer. So, get down to WeShoot, and check out the BUL Armory products. You will be amazed at how top of the line they are. They are really cool, really great. Evan Nappen 27:31 Page – 6 – of 12By the way, WeShoot also has plenty of other firearms to fit whatever your needs are. They have the Ruger Precision Rimfire, which is your ultimate .22 trainer with an adjustable stock and a free folding handguard. And of course, it is completely New Jersey compliant. So, it is a great gun. They are also have the Springfield Armory Echelon, which is a modular, striker-fired 9mm, built for duty, defense, and customization with its Central Operating Group chassis system. In other words, it has a fire control unit and operates in that manner. So, check out the Springfield. You also have the Tisas 1911DS Carry. It’s a classic 1911 design, and it has a double -capacity and modern upgrades. And these are just a few of the really cool great guns at WeShoot. And by the way, Molly is back, and she’s asking, do you want to see more of her? One of the beautiful WeShoot girls. She’s hitting targets and turning heads, and we’re all here and for it. So, there you go. Check out WeShoot’s website for beautiful pictures of guns and WeShoot girls. As a matter of fact, why don’t you go down to WeShoot and personally get acquainted with both. So check it out at weshootusa.com. WeShoot is there to help you get the training you need to get your licensing and skills, and you will find that it is a place where you are treated like family. Everyone that goes there loves it, and I know you will, too. Check out weshootusa.com. weshootusa.com. Evan Nappen 29:21 Let me also mention my book, which is New Jersey Gun Law, the Bible of New Jersey gun law. You need to have a copy of it. If you don’t, you are sorely losing out on the information that can save your rights and keep you out of jail. The book is over 500 pages with 120 topics, all in a question and answer format. Once you get the book, scan the front cover, and get on my free and private subscriber base. You will get all the alerts for law changes. You’ll be able to immediately download the 2025 Comprehensive Update, which, by the way, has a standalone chapter on “sensitive places”. It is the book that is a must have for every gun owner in New Jersey. Go to EvanNappen.com, EvanNappen.com. You’ll see the big orange book right there. Click it and you’ll have your copy in days. Teddy, what do you have for us? Teddy Nappen 30:21 Well, as you know, Press Checks are always free, and we always like to go back to looking at the various anti-gun agendas. More and more, I find that looking at their various arguments and things they push for. It’s important to go back to history and to see what was the spark, what led to the creation of their current talking points. So, we go back to everyone’s favorite anti-gun outlet, The Trace. And I love this media article. It just caught my eye, and I thought, okay, yeah, this is the ultimate. This is how they’re going to stop it. The mass shooters are going to stop the gun violence in the city of Philadelphia. Do you know what’s going to stop it, Dad? Evan Nappen 31:14 Gun violence, Teddy? Teddy Nappen 31:16 Yeah, gun violence. Do you know what’s their argument? Philly’s latest shooting prevention law is literally a sign in a window. (https://www.thetrace.org/2025/09/philly-straw-purchasing-prevention/) Evan Nappen 31:28 Page – 7 – of 12Oh, signs. They work so well. Like “Gun Free School Zones” and “No Guns Allowed Here”. Oh, every criminal will obey a sign. I mean, signs are the most powerful tool to stop crime ever invented by man. Teddy Nappen 31:45 Correct. And this sign is required in every single gun shop in Philadelphia to discourage straw purchase sales of firearms. Evan Nappen 31:55 Oh, straw. Is that like from the Wizard of Oz? You know the one of the characters, the straw, uh, Scarecrow, who’s a straw man, and he’s, you know, he’s a straw man. If it was, if a scarecrow wants to buy a gun, then straw man purchases get prohibited, right? Isn’t that how that works? Teddy Nappen 32:12 Well, the problem is, the problem is, the Scarecrow went down to the bad area of Philadelphia. When they found him, he went, oh, my head’s over there, and my body’s over here! Anyways. Evan Nappen 32:24 Right. Teddy Nappen 32:25 Just leaning off of that, it’s this whole pushed agenda where they’re requiring every single gun shop in Philadelphia to have that sign to crack down on straw purchase sales of firearms. And it got me thinking, who did this? What was the start? Who originally got this whole talking point of straw purchases? Because we’ve brought up about the famous case. Evan Nappen 32:53 It was Dorothy. Dorothy was pissed at the Scarecrow for not having a brain. Teddy Nappen 33:01 Yep, it was Dorothy. Anyways, going through, I actually pulled it up on the ATF website. (https://www.atf.gov/firearms/dont-lie-other-guy) In 2000, ATF partnered with the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) to do. Evan Nappen 33:17 Wait a minute. The same folks that got the nonbinary added to the form (4473)? That same group? Teddy Nappen 33:25 Yeah. Evan Nappen 33:26 Really, isn’t that interesting? Teddy Nappen 33:28 Page – 8 – of 12Yeah. Look, it’s one of those where seeing this is what they do. In the common sense ideology, we’d say, okay, yeah, we don’t want, we don’t want criminals to have firearms. But they. Evan Nappen 33:43 Actually, what it is, is we don’t want dealers to sell a gun to somebody that shouldn’t have it, because then the dealer gets sued out of existence by gun rights oppressors. Teddy Nappen 33:57 Yeah, and that would be, and that would be the more common sense. But even when we try to find common ground, they abuse it. To where, if you go to any of the sites, when I over here, sure enough, ATF Nashville Field Office teaming up with attorneys to crack down on straw purchases. And if you go down to Giffords or you go to any other site, what are they arguing? We need to cut down on straw purchase sales. We need a Universal Background Checks (UBC). Evan Nappen 34:29 Oh, no, it’s Universal Background Checks, which means Universal Gun Registration. And we all know where registration leads to? Confiscation and eventually extermination, as every major Holocaust had that pattern occur. Evan Nappen 34:48 We want to work with ATF. We want to work with law enforcement. And you know what? At one point, the ATF did work with dealers, and they were not anywhere near the aggressive oppressors that they became in the Biden administration. They were never wonderful. I mean, they were never great. But the last four years of the senile sock puppet was weaponization like we’ve never seen before of the ATF. And that’s the problem. Because if they get weaponized, there you go. I mean, zero tolerance. Knocking out dealers. Their mission was to eliminate every gun dealer in the United States. And then how are you going to buy a gun without any gun dealers? And since it requires the person to be licensed dealer, and they knock out licensed dealers. This is that slippery slope. Teddy Nappen 34:48 Correct. So, this is something the National Shooting Sports Foundation should not be partnered up with the ATF, which, by the way, that is a very bad look to have on your website. Teddy Nappen 36:00 Well, now you just highlighted Biden. Sure enough, right under that, is don’t lie for the other guy. They highlight the 2022 Bipartisan Safer Communities Act. (https://www.atf.gov/news/press-releases/atf-and- nssf-celebrate-25-years-partnership-dont-lie-other-guy-anti-straw-purchasing-campaign) Evan Nappen 36:11 Ohhhh. So, it was then used to pass gun control laws, too. Yeah. Isn’t that interesting? Teddy Nappen 36:20 So, and this is what it comes down to. I’m quite disgusted, like they should go, they’re literally going on there. If you go on to their website for the National Shooting Sports Foundation Real Solutions, the ATF Page – 9 – of 12and the firearm industry collab to keep firearm retail stores secure and prosecute individuals who burglarize firearm realtors and inform the public that it is illegal to purchase a firearm for someone who cannot pass a background check. (https://nssfrealsolutions.org/programs/dont-lie-for-the-other-guy/) And then go to the ATF website and they get praise from the NSSF CEO, Joe Bartozzi. If I’m saying that right. Retailers want nothing more than to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, and the don’t lie initiative has proven that. We look forward to 25 more years of their partnership. (https://www.atf.gov/news/press-releases/atf-and-nssf-celebrate-25-years-partnership-dont-lie-other- guy-anti-straw-purchasing-campaign) Are you kidding me? Evan Nappen 37:17 Oh, God. So, here’s the thing. I’m gonna let you know a dirty little secret, Teddy. It is something we’ve seen throughout the fight for our Second Amendment rights. Industry, industry, has backed gun control. Let me just give you a short little history lesson. The 1934 Machine Gun Act, the NFA that we’re fighting now with the big, beautiful lawsuit. Okay? That bill. If you go back to the original hearings, you saw Colt Auto Ordinance in favor of it passing. You saw the N R A supporting the passage of the National Firearms Act. That’s a fact, folks. As a matter of fact, if you have the book about the Armed Citizen that NRA put out, where they have all the great columns of the Armed Citizen in that book, there is actually a copy of the announcement way back in the ’30s that NRA made after the passage of the National Firearms Act, they were proud of it. They said, look, we’ve solved the gun control problem in the United States by passing this national law. Evan Nappen 38:36 Now, look, they were naive. They thought they were doing well. They thought they were doing good because of the states passing all different kind of patchwork quilt of gun laws. They thought they could solve it with one federal law and stop the states from enacting their laws. But, of course, that didn’t work. And as far as federal law was concerned, well, for little over 30 years, there wasn’t much else in federal gun law. But then ’68 comes along, and the groundwork has been laid with the foundation of the prior national gun ban, the National Firearms Act that was officially supported by the NRA back then. I don’t want to judge them by our enlightened understanding of the problems of doing that, you know, back then. But they did, and it was a naive mistake, for sure. But you had industry even then, supporting it as well. And then, guess what? The ’68 Gun Control Act. Do you know who was supporting it? Major gun makers, major gun makers. They wanted to stop military surplus guns from coming in because that was affecting their manufacturing in the U.S. They didn’t have a problem with imported handguns having to meet all kinds of other criteria, because that stopped their domestic sales. Right? You saw the ’68 Gun Control Act backed by industry. Evan Nappen 40:03 Hell, you saw the Rose Garden ceremony with (President) Clinton and Smith & Wesson there supporting it, right? That’s what they with their support. Because they thought they had the internal lock deal secured for their handgun, and this would become the basis for Smith & Wesson and others to make their money. So, they said, hey, let’s support this. And they’re supporting, again, an agenda that is gun rights oppression. So, this is something that unfortunately occurs, and even our so-called pro- gun rights organizations seem to, at times, be short sighted. Or so focused on their business interests Page – 10 – of 12and their folks that are members that have this business interest that they don’t see how it will be abused and used and taken advantage of by the gun rights oppressors. Evan Nappen 41:02 I really appreciate you pointing out us having to deal with the straw man, the straw man. Which is now, you know, another term of art, if you will. The same way they call it “gun violence” instead of “criminal violence”. They have something else now to hang their hat on, to sell their gun rights oppression agenda, and unfortunately, we helped to create that one. So, it’s a shame, but you can understand why. They had good intentions, right? But as the old saying goes about good intentions, right? It’s that road to hell. That’s what it’s paved with. Evan Nappen 41:43 So, let me tell you about this week’s GOFU. This week’s GOFU, the Gun Owner Fuck Up. And why do we talk about GOFUs? Because it is expensive lessons that gun owners learn, and it costs them their gun rights, their freedom, lots of money, and if you can learn from that, then you can be protected, and you can learn from these errors and mistakes. That’s why we talk about GOFUs. And this week’s GOFU is actually from a letter that I received from Joel. It highlights what is potentially a big GOFU. Luckily, I don’t think Joel has actually officially become a GOFU, but he highlights something that does help to create GOFUs. Let me read you his letter. Hi, Evan. I recently serendipitously, heard serendipitously that the enforceability of New Jersey gun laws changed due to recent court rulings. I didn’t hear this from the State of NJ directly, even though they have my contact info as part of my carry permit registration process. Now, you know what? That’s a good point. They know who has a carry licenses. How come a bulletin isn’t emailed, at a minimum, emailed, if not mailed, from the State to carry permit holders, laying out the case law and what is and is not a sensitive place? Do we have any official informational booklet of any type put out by our Government that explains where you can and cannot carry your handgun so you don’t get in trouble? No, of course not, because they want you to get into trouble. Evan Nappen 43:45 The only thing out there that will help you is my book, New Jersey Gun Law, and download the 2025 update that has “sensitive places” explained. Our Government doesn’t send it out, and they know, yet they know who the people are. And Joel goes on, while ignorance of the law is no excuse, is it in any way negligent of the State of New Jersey to charge me a fee to register for a permit and provide key contact information in the process without subsequently using that info to directly inform me of the ways to use my permit significantly affected by formal legal changes? Now the question is that negligent? No, you can’t sue them over that, not that I’m aware of. Is it something they should be doing? Hell yeah, they should be. But again, that’s not part of their agenda. It’s not part of what they want. They don’t want you to be, actually, a law-abiding gun owner. There’s very minimal done to that effect. And you’re right, they could easily let us know, but they don’t. Yet they should. Now maybe they’ll come out with something, because to the State Police credit, they do actually have an FAQ on their website answering many gun questions. But they don’t have any detailed FAQ on “sensitive places”. At least, if they did that in furtherance of their mission, which I’m thankful they at least have what they do have, it would help give guidance. Because law-abiding gun owners want to stay law-abiding gun owners, right? So, put it out there. Page – 11 – of 12Evan Nappen 45:19 But as far as saying, because you go into a sensitive place or didn’t know case law changes and you’re suddenly have a problem, can you then say, oh, well, New Jersey didn’t tell me about it, so I’m not guilty of it. Now that defense isn’t going to work, unfortunately. Now if New Jersey does put out official proclamation about what is and isn’t a sensitive place, then you can rely on that. And if a court ends up saying what they said was wrong, then actually, Joel, ignorance or mistake of law is a defense, a statutory defense in New Jersey, as long as you’re relying on an official statement by the government. But their failure to do it does not give an ignorance or mistake of law argument. So, that’s probably one of the other reasons they don’t want to do it, because they know then people can rely on it and would ultimately have a defense of ignorance or mistake of law. Evan Nappen 46:21 Then Joel goes on, especially at a time when court rulings can have substantial implications for legal gun owners with carry permits. At what point is the failure to directly notify registered permit holders an intentional act or omission on the part of the State? What are permit holders legal obligations to actively stay up to date with court rulings on their own? And here’s the deal. There isn’t. There is no implication for failure to notify. There’s no omission type argument by the Government. Nope. It ain’t going to fly. Permit holders obligations are to know and to obey the law. It is squarely placed on the gun owner to know all that. And so the GOFUs are ready to happen. The Government does not help in any way there on sensitive places to stop it. It is something that should be done across the board. They should be putting out all kinds of information. Look, if you want to hunt or fish in New Jersey. You can get the whole compendium right online that breaks down the laws so that you can be a lawful hunter, a lawful fisherman, a lawful trapper. Where’s that for gun owners? Where’s that for carrying your gun? Where’s the gun owner Compendium put out by the State of New Jersey for the Second Amendment exercise. It ain’t there, folks. It ain’t there. And it ain’t there because of their gun rights oppression agenda. I’m telling you. This is what we deal with every day in the practice of gun law, of individuals who are law- abiding criminals. That’s right. They’re law-abiding and turned into criminals, and they are officially victims of New Jersey gun law. Evan Nappen 48:39 This is Evan Nappen and Teddy Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens. 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Episode 256-Can Hunting Cost Your 2A Rights? Also Available On Searchable Podcast Transcript Gun Lawyer — Episode 256 Transcript SUMMARY KEYWORDS Second Amendment, hunting violations, New Jersey gun laws, license suspension, Fish and Game laws, public health safety welfare, civil penalties, 450 foot rule, prohibited person, domestic violence, red flag laws, gun seizures, Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs, suppressors, gun storage. SPEAKERS Evan Nappen, Speaker 2, Teddy Nappen Evan Nappen 00:15 I’m Evan Nappen. Teddy Nappen 00:17 And I’m Teddy Nappen. Evan Nappen 00:19 and welcome to Gun Lawyer. So, we have an issue I want to bring to my listeners’ attention, and it has to do with the impact that hunting can have on your Second Amendment rights. Teddy Nappen 00:42 Is it the long winded debate between rabbit season and duck season? Evan Nappen 00:46 Exactly, exactly. That’s what it is. And never get into a debate with Daffy Duck if you want to save your gun rights. No, what I’m talking about is the issue in which the Second Amendment oppressors try to use everything and anything they can to disenfranchise us of our gun rights if you end up having hunting violations. Now, not only in New Jersey, if you get two violations, you lose your hunting privileges. They like to call it privileges. Although I really think hunting is a right. Many states have actually enshrined hunting rights as a right in their Constitution. Of course, New Jersey hasn’t done that. But anyway, either way, if you end up with a violation of any of the myriad of ridiculous Fish and Game laws. Some are so petty and insane you can’t even believe they’re on the books. If you get two of those, you’re going to have a mandatory license suspension of hunting and fishing and trapping privileges. Evan Nappen 02:19 And that’s bad enough, but I think one of the ramifications that people don’t realize is that hunting violations can also cost you your ability to own and possess firearms and be licensed in New Jersey to have firearms. Here’s how it works. Here’s their Gambit. So, one of the disqualifiers in New Jersey Page – 1 – of 13 under the licensing law is called Public Health, Safety, and Welfare based on character and temperament. We call it public health safety welfare. I call it the all inclusive miscellaneous weasel clause, because that’s what it is. It’s a very subjective reason that is often abused by issuing authorities. And even abused to the point, as we’ve discussed, of being racist, in which blacks are denied their gun rights using that provision at a ratio of more than two to one than whites, just on that provision alone. But that’s not where the only area of abuse comes in. They will attempt, they being the Government, will attempt to use hunting violations, and we’ve had any number of cases where they do this against your ability to be licensed under New Jersey law. Evan Nappen 03:51 So, there are some particular hunting violations that they’re very hot to pull this on, pull this lever, and other ones in the aggregate, or just depending on whether the issuing authority has a hard on for you or whatever. They will attempt to use these things against you, and you want to be aware of that problem. One of the big ones that will really cost you and is a very serious hunting violation, but remember, you can have these minor, stupid ones, too, and they add up. They’ll say you’re irresponsible as a gun owner if you have too many of these, or if your hunting license is suspended because you got hit twice for having the wrong shade of orange that you’re wearing, you know? I mean, that’s one of the offenses. It doesn’t matter, because then they’re going to say, well, you’re not following the hunting laws properly, and therefore you’re not a responsible citizen. Evan Nappen 05:05 Now, we’ve usually, though the one, the big one, one of the big ones, anyway, is under Chapter 23 which is where the hunting and fishing regs are found. And it’s (N.J.S.) 23:7-3., and it’s causing injury to property of another. “A person who, while hunting, fishing, trapping, or taking wildlife, causes or assists in causing damage or injury to real or personal property of another, including pet animals . . .” You’re liable to a civil penalty not to exceed $2,000 and that’s paid to Fish and Game and goes to their hunters’ and anglers’ fund. So they love, Fish and Game, loves the Fish and Game laws because it puts money in their coffer. So, you know, you think you’re going to work it out some way, but that’s difficult, because they’re there with their hand out, wanting to take your money. And for the first offense, by the way, you have a suspension of all license certificates. That’s for everything. Hunting, fishing, trapping, all of it, to take or possess wildlife for five years. You get a five-year suspension. For a second offense, you’re looking at revocation of all licenses and certificates permanently. So, it would be bad enough that you end up permanently losing your ability to hunt and fish. And, by the way, many states have reciprocity with New Jersey’s hunting and fishing laws. So, if you’re prohibited in New Jersey, you get prohibited in those states as well. So, be aware of that. Evan Nappen 07:07 But they then will attempt to use these things to somehow show that you’re a danger, that you’re unsafe and that you’re irresponsible. And of course, there’s Fish and Game law that’s very serious if you end up causing personal injury, even purely by accident. But if you cause personal injury, then, of course, they’re going to be all over you for that and claim that you are irresponsible and a danger, etc. So, these are areas where there’s vulnerability. Beyond even your ability to hunt, fish, trap, in New Jersey. Now the they’ll also look at what is the 450 rule. Under the 450 foot rule, New Jersey has a hunting reg that says you cannot be within 450 feet of a building or playground. And if you are within 450 feet of a Page – 2 – of 13 building or playground with a loaded firearm or a knocked arrow, then you’re looking at a problem if it’s an occupied building or a playground, and again. It’s a civil penalty for not less than 100 or more than 200 for the first offense, and not less than 200 or to 500 for a second offense. But if you are convicted of this, not only can you lose your license, but also on that second offense, again, it’s a permanent revocation. Permanent, forever of your hunting and fishing. Evan Nappen 09:16 And if you end up with a 450 for a loaded firearm, again, the State will claim that you’re a danger, that you’re irresponsible, that you are somebody who should not have a firearm at all. And if you are convicted of any of the multitude of other violations, they can put them together. They’ll look at your entire background while hunting and any of the offenses that you may have had or even just been charged with. Even if you’re not convicted, they’ll still try to use it against you and claim you’re a danger to public health, safety, and welfare. We’ve had those cases. Then as a big, big problem, and I’ve had any number of these cases, is if someone happens to be a prohibited person. Maybe they’re not even aware because they had a prior conviction, you know, decades ago. And they thought it was sealed or expunged but it wasn’t. Or they had a juvenile offense. It’s still a disqualifier. Or if they’ve had any mental health commitment. Evan Nappen 10:39 Well, if you’re caught possessing, you’re looking at not only a criminal charge of unlawful possession, which can be quite serious, but also a felon in possession, what New Jersey calls “certain persons”. Well, that has a five-year minimum mandatory period of incarceration in State Prison. So, it’s serious stuff, folks. And of course, being a convicted felon isn’t going to help your resume, and it will cause you to be a prohibited person. You lose your gun rights, become a second class citizen and all that. So, beware of that. Make sure that you’re legal to possess firearms. It seems like an obvious thing to say, but you’d be surprised how many folks fall into this trap. And the reason I say it’s a trap is that if you’re a convicted felon, you can go buy a hunting license. There’s no NICS or background check done on a hunting license. Fish and Game will gladly take your money for a hunting license, because they’re all about the money. They’ll take it. You can have a hunting license, but as a convicted felon, you just can’t hunt, particularly with a firearm or possessing other weapons to hunt. So, you can buy the license, but you can’t do the activity. But sometimes there’ll be a misunderstanding where they think, well, they gave me a hunting license, so I should be okay, right? But you’re not okay. Not only can you end up, you can end up doing serious jail time. Go ahead, Teddy. Teddy Nappen 12:26 Out of curiosity, could there be someone just, oh, there’d be, like, an individual that just do, like, going deer hunting bare handed. If that’s ever been, like a case, or not. Evan Nappen 12:37 I’ve never heard of that, and I don’t know. It’s probably, probably animal cruelty statutes would kick in over deer wrestling or something to that effect. Who knows? I wouldn’t put anything past New Jersey. Now, of course, if you bare handedly go bear hunting, I would have nothing but respect for you, but I don’t think you want to do that. This is a problem, and you need to be aware that you’re out there taking a risk when you’re hunting. Of not just losing, under New Jersey’s draconian and strict hunting laws, but Page – 3 – of 13 you’re risking as well your Second Amendment rights. And of course, they’ve gamed the system to do that very thing. Everything in New Jersey is about somehow disenfranchising us of our gun rights, about taking away people’s rights so they are not able to be gun owners, and about stealing our guns, which is why they have a multitude of ways to do gun seizures. Oh, and by the way, if that occurs where they’re looking to revoke you, they will, all the time, move to forfeit all your guns while they’re at it as well. So they’ll look to take your guns and look to take away your gun rights. This is the reason that New Jersey is a gun owners hell. Evan Nappen 14:01 And I remember, before I was even a lawyer, NRA ran an article about Lukey Schaefer in the early ’80s. Lukey was a trucker that happened to venture into New Jersey with a cased and unloaded shotgun, and he ended up getting charged on lawful possession. And I always remember that headline on the NRA article, “New Jersey is a gun owners hell.” And you know what, folks, it hasn’t changed. It still is a hell, and they’ve made it even hotter for us. And that’s why it’s very important that you be part of the fight and that you stand up for our rights. As the movement for conservative voices is increasing beyond our wild expectations, due to certain atrocities that have happened, it’s very important that we take this opportunity to fight the oppression that is New Jersey, legally, lawfully, politically. And part of the way of doing that is by joining organizations that unite us in standing up for a rights. One of the key organizations that do that is the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. Now that organization is an umbrella organization of gun clubs throughout New Jersey, and they also have individual memberships. Evan Nappen 15:44 By being a part of the Association, you’re going to get email alerts where you can push a few buttons and let your voice be heard to the legislature. You’re going to be advised about fights ongoing in the courts, challenging the Carry Killer bill, the assault firearm ban and the large capacity magazine ban. All those issues where they further attempted to oppress us and keep us as victims of New Jersey gun law. It’s your state Association that is critical in this fight. Now there are other great gun clubs and gun organizations around New Jersey. This isn’t saying that this is the only one you should belong to. Every pro-group that you believe in, no question, but you have to belong to the Association if you care about what’s going on in New Jersey. The Association has full-time paid lobbyist in Trenton, and they are really doing a great job in an extraordinarily difficult environment. So, go to anjrpc.org and make sure you join. And have your friends and family join, too, because there’s power in numbers. It’s very important that you do that. You may think, oh, I’m just one person, but you can make a difference. Evan Nappen 17:14 And as our voices are heard and responses are sent in, the legislators do consider just how much outrage and political motivation there is to oppose them and to fight them. So, they take it seriously, and we make a big showing because of the alerts that have been sent out by the Association. It really does make a difference, and we’ve seen it. Also, the Association has become a good negotiator of our rights. We’ve been able to achieve things without legislative necessity. We’ve been able to work things out with the Attorney General, such as the “no serial number” gun ban that literally banned millions of guns in New Jersey. And through efforts of the Association and my colleague and good friend, Dan Schmutter and myself and Scott Bach, who’s the Executive Director, we were able to get the Attorney Page – 4 – of 13 General to make clear that it was strictly limited to so-called, as readily understood, ghost guns only, and not all the pre ’68 guns with no serial number. Because that was legal prior to ’68 and that it didn’t apply to imported guns because they didn’t have Federal Manufacturing registrations in New Jersey. And antiques and other guns and so forth. So, it was a very important thing, literally saving millions that was done through your Association. Evan Nappen 19:00 We’ve also been able to get the criteria changed via the Attorney General for carry permits. We went from the John Wick carry requirement to CCARE, which is a reasonable course and test of your core competency, and so that individuals would qualify to get their carry permit. Again, an accomplishment by your state Association. So, those are just a few examples. But through the years, if you wonder about, you know, can you stop while you’re transporting your firearm from, say, your home to the range. Can you stop for some food? Can you stop to go to the bathroom? Can you stop to get gas? Can you stop to pick up a friend? The answer to those questions is yes, you can, as long as it’s reasonable and along the way. And why is the answer yes? Because of an Attorney General opinion that we worked out through the Association. These are all things where direct, absolute benefits can be seen by the efforts of ANJRPC. So, make sure you join and belong. Evan Nappen 20:22 And the other important thing to do is belong to a gun club or organization. Now we are good friends with WeShoot. WeShoot is an indoor range in Lakewood. It’s fantastic range, just great people. That’s where Teddy and I shoot, and we love WeShoot. They have great courses, and they have great trainers. They are offering, all the time, amazing courses in firearms and in self-defense and in even other subjects, including ham radio operation, should the stuff ever hit the fan, and you want to be able to communicate. So, they really have some great stuff. And I would highly recommend going to WeShoot right there in Lakewood, conveniently off the Parkway. You can check out their website, of course, at weshootusa.com. WeShoot also runs sales, and they have special guns they get in. They happen to be highlighting this week the Colt 1911 Competition, which is a race-ready .45ACP, with Novak sights and match-grade performance, which is built for precision and podiums. They’re also talking about the Marlin 1895 Trapper, a compact, fast-handling, chambered in .45-70 government. This lever action legend is back with Ruger quality and a threaded barrel for your suppressor setups. Evan Nappen 22:08 And what’s really nice. That model Marlin 1895 in .45-70 is the gun that both Teddy and I have bear hunted with. In fact, it was the Marlin 1895 guide gun that literally saved my life while bear hunting, when I was charged by a bear in the blind. Yeah, I was on a ground blind, my friends, because I don’t care too much for the blinds that are high up in the sky. I find that I rarely fall off a ground blind, okay? But those of you that hunt elevated, I get it. It’s fine, but I prefer a ground blind. So, I’m in this ground blind, and this bear literally charged the blind where I was. I had to shoot him point blank from the hip, virtually touching his body. And I just fired with a get the f away from me shot that luckily sent him sprawling. And it was a .45-70 that did the job and put him down immediately. So, I have a great love for my Marlin 1895 guide gun. Plus it is the gun they used in a Jurassic Park as protection against dinosaurs. So, if you ever think that you want to keep dinosaurs away, well, look how effective the .45- 70 is because I have yet to encounter a dinosaur while having my .45-70 with me. So, it must work Page – 5 – of 13 really well. But I know it works perfectly on charging bears. I can personally vouch for that. And WeShoot has got the Trapper, which is a handy, handy carbine, set up in that great round. And, of course, my favorite ammo is the Garrett load. Garrett makes a super hard cast .45-70 that are like little freight trains. I think they’ve even taken the Big Five in Africa with that round. And man, was I glad I had that round and that gun. Evan Nappen 24:40 WeShoot is also offering a Beretta 92XI SAO Tactical, which is a modern twist on a classic M9 with a single action only, suppressor-height, sights and optics-ready versatility. Now, of course, suppressors, unfortunately, are not legal yet in New Jersey, but plainly, they need to be, because it’s hearing protection, and they’re a great idea. I mean, you wouldn’t want to ride around in our cars without mufflers, right? And look, people rob banks in cars, and if you have a muffler, it’s less likely for them to be hurt. I mean, it’s a stupid logic. Like, are you kidding me? We need mufflers on cars, so give me a break, and you still hear cars even with mufflers. Well, you still hear guns even with silencers. It’s just that it’s not ear shattering, ear splitting noise. It’s noise that you can actually hunt without hearing protection. So, you can hear the game, and you can hear other hunters. And in a home-defense situation, it’s ideal. It’s not going to blow your ears out in your house, should you have to fire. It also helps control recoil. And if you’re at the range in training, you can listen to commands very easily. I mean, they’re a great accessory to firearms. New Jersey needs to get its act together on that one. Evan Nappen 26:08 And of course, we filed, through the Association and others have filed a legal challenge to the constitutionality of New Jersey’s ban on so-called silencers, which we call really suppressors, but the law calls silencers. It is a very good thing, and plus, we have federal challenge in the big, beautiful lawsuit, challenging the NFA regulations that have put silencers in the same category as machine guns since the 1930s. So, there’s a big movement. And most states, not including New Jersey, of course, have legalized silencers for hunting because they see the great advantage. So, these firearms at WeShoot are threaded for a suppressor. You can’t have a suppressor yet in New Jersey, but hopefully down the road, you’ll be able to. And if you have any of those guns, you’ll be set to go and buy a nice suppressor. So, look, folks, check out WeShoot at weshootusa.com and make sure you visit the range. You’ll love it. It’s a fantastic resource that we have in New Jersey. Evan Nappen 27:18 And let me also tell you about another resource in New Jersey, and that’s my book, New Jersey Gun Law. It’s the Bible of New Jersey gun law. Don’t be left behind and not have the book. I wrote this book to try to keep you legal, keep you from becoming another victim of New Jersey gun laws brought to you by the New Jersey Second Amendment oppression system. Okay, that’s what our gun laws are. It’s a system of Second Amendment oppression, and I have laid out for you how to navigate through that very complicated matrix of laws so you can stay legal. It is the resource on the subject. Go to EvanNappen.com, EvanNappen.com, to get your copy today. Hey, Teddy, what do you have for us today in Press Checks? Page – 6 – of 13 Teddy Nappen 28:20 Well, as you know, press checks are always free. And every now and then, I want to do a double check on our opposition, particularly now, as to see what the spin, the spin that they’re been cooking up. Evan Nappen 28:36 Oppo research. Evan Nappen 28:38 Yeah, that’s because there’s not a trace of truth in them. That’s what it is. A trace not even a trace of truth. Teddy Nappen 28:38 Always a fun time. And it’s from everyone’s Bloomberg, sorry. Bloomturd. Sorry, I misspoke. Is the outlet known as “The Trace. They decided to run an article going off of. Teddy Nappen 28:56 I always give credit for people able to come up with funny names. Like, you know how MSNBC changed their name because they won’t only be associated. Now it’s MS Now. I’ve heard it called BS Now. Evan Nappen 29:12 That’s pretty good. Teddy Nappen 29:13 Yeah, it’s a pretty good one. And you know everyone. Evan Nappen 29:16 Well, they are competing with CBS, CBS. So, anytime you watch that channel, you see BS. Evan Nappen 29:25 That’s my dummies favorite channel. I think. Teddy Nappen 29:25 Yeah, I’m just more of a communist news network myself, but Teddy Nappen 29:36 I know, right? But going off of The Trace, Trump cancels domestic violence program. (https://www.thetrace.org/2025/09/trump-domestic-violence-program-cancel/) Wow, that sounds horrible and also probably inaccurate. As I was reading through the article, what they’re freaking out about, and by this Alma Beauvais. Oh, multiple sites are scrambling after the Trump administration canceled a program designed to help tackle the dangers by guns in domestic abuse situations. What does that dress up? Domestic abuse situation tackling the issue of guns? Ding, ding, ding, ding. Red flags. They always love to dress it up. Every single time. Page – 7 – of 13 Evan Nappen 30:25 Well, that is one of the primary ways that New Jersey seizes guns, through that system. And in New Jersey, it’s so easy to make a claim of domestic violence. You just need a predicate act, which can run the gamut of any criminal offense, including harassment, which is a petty disorderly person’s offense, where the essence of harassment is doing something with purpose to annoy. Now, I know none of you have ever annoyed your spouse, right? You’ve never done that. Because if you have, then you’ve committed domestic violence in New Jersey, because that’s harassment. And then you can have your guns seized and a restraining order placed against you. So, it’s customary abused. Teddy Nappen 31:15 Anytime they try to say harassment, Dad, I always go back to “he threw pretzels at me.” Evan Nappen 31:22 Yes, that’s an actual case I had where the basis for this champion, shot gunning champion, had all his guns seized was a complaint that he threw pretzels at her. That was it. That’s all it took to qualify enough for a Temporary Restraining Order. And as soon as that TRO issues, pre-printed on the form, pre-printed is a search warrant to search and seize firearms. I mean, that warrant on there is unbelievable. I mean, it’s harder to get a properly made sandwich at Wawa than to get a search warrant as part of a TRO. It’s literally baked into the cake. They check the box and give the address and there you go. Because the DV itself is apparently sufficient to demand the seizure of Second Amendment rights and firearms, and you will then have to fight to regain your rights. New Jersey has a law, by the way, that says anybody who’s had guns seized pursuant to domestic violence becomes a prohibited person. So, even if you weren’t the violator, but your guns happen to be seized too, you’re prohibited from having guns until those guns are returned to you. It’s called “the seized but not returned provision”. So, if you are ever in a DV situation, even though the restraining order gets dismissed, you must get your guns back or you will lose your gun rights. You are a prohibited person, similar to a felon, because you had guns seized and not returned. Teddy Nappen 33:23 Yeah, so and kind of going off of that, you see where this money comes into play. It was under the Department of Justice’s Firearms Technical Assistance Program, where they would give out these grant monies to different communities to help tackle the dangers posed by guns and domestic abuse situations. The example they give is there was a half a million dollar grant to this Tucson community where the police department, they bragged about 60 protective orders served, 174 firearms “surrendered” by law enforcement. The courts have connected more than 200 high risk abuse survivors with service providers. So, they’re highlighting trying to justify the value of, you know, legalized swatting on individuals. Evan Nappen 34:17 And by the way, when your guns get seized, they are all run through a forward trace and NICS for check on the guns. And what happens is those forward trace numbers get inflated on every seizure, and then they’ll put out more statistics showing how many states have had how many crime guns. But included in the crime gun statistic are all these seizures taking place where they’re just running them Page – 8 – of 13 through the system in a routine manner. There’s been no conviction for any crime it, but they put them in that category of crime guns to, again, pump the numbers. Teddy Nappen 35:12 But I also find very funny in the article, is this cancelation coincides with a recent proposed rule by the DOJ that would help restore gun rights to certain people with criminal convictions, including misdemeanor domestic violence offenses. So, remember we talked a while back about the incredibly racist law that Chuck Schumer where they. Evan Nappen 35:38 Right. Where they stopped. Teddy Nappen 35:40 They defund the very ability for 33 years. Evan Nappen 35:44 Yeah, 33 years. Teddy Nappen 35:46 Now, they’re tying that to helping restore people’s rights to domestic violence. Evan Nappen 35:51 Right. So, what they’re doing is they’re trying to lay groundwork to fight the rights restoration by somehow trying to link it to domestic violence. Now, keep in mind that the domestic violence misdemeanor gun ban is something where you lose your gun rights for a misdemeanor. So, historically, it was originally only violent felons, and then over time, it became just felons. Then with that slippery slope, it fell to misdemeanors, but it’s domestic violence. You can bet that down the road, the antis would have with any misdemeanor you lose your Second Amendment rights. And the crazy thing about it is, if you commit harassment on someone who qualifies as a victim of domestic violence, such as a spouse, someone you had a dating relationship with, someone you are a shared household member with, either currently or previously, then that’s domestic violence, and you lose your gun rights for the state and the whole country. But if you go around all day long just harassing strangers, and you’ve been charged over and over again with harassing strangers, no problem. You don’t lose your gun rights. So, that’s the strange thing about how that law works. Teddy Nappen 37:11 Yeah, so kind of going off of this whole touch on Red Flag laws. I was very curious, and I thought to myself, okay, who did it first? Who was the one who was responsible? Whose bright idea was it to create Red Flag laws? Why did this start? Because I find the way to argue with the Left is always look to history because they can’t do history. That’s the part that kills their argument. Evan Nappen 37:51 When they try to rewrite it. Page – 9 – of 13 Teddy Nappen 37:53 Well, that’s their only. Well, yeah, and that’s why they try to remove civics, which, you know, which they did. So, sure. But shown by this, it turns out the first Red Flag law was enacted in Connecticut in 1999. Apparently, from a New York Times article from 1998, being at the Connecticut lottery, where it was an old accountant who shot four of his supervisors and himself. That was their whole justification for Red Flag, where he apparently from what I am handgun. Others say. Evan Nappen 38:37 Did you ever notice how every anti-gun law is always based on the lowest common denominator? In other words, they have to find an incident somewhere, and then they use what’s called the straw man technique. So, this is the straw man technique to further gun right suppression. That’s what they’re doing. Teddy Nappen 39:00 Yeah. And actually, how they try to argue that, oh, if we had red flag laws, we would have been able to stop him. Except South Coast today. This was the article written when they interviewed people. This is their argument. Beck frightened some of his co-workers because it turns out he liked to play paintball. And had a gun. Evan Nappen 39:24 Oh, paintball. Well, that does it, you know? And see how that’s twisted. And that’s, this is something I encounter, and you and I both have encountered in the system. Well, they’ll just twist it. Where normally you’d say, hey, the guy’s a target shooter. Oh, but he was a target shooter, you know, like, that’s somehow negative, or he played paintball, that’s a negative. Like, no. I mean the overwhelming, incredible, super majority of anybody who plays paintball as a target shooter. Or that matter, even a gun owner, does not commit crimes or wrong doings. It’s a very small number. Yet they want to try to take away everybody’s rights based on a few. And that’s not what it’s about. Teddy Nappen 40:20 Also highlighting the fact that he was going bald, and so he shaved his head. Yeah, that’s the. Yeah. That’s the ultimate Red Flag, when you’re losing your hair. Evan Nappen 40:35 I hope that doesn’t become a New Jersey disqualifier, because then I won’t be able to possess guns anymore in New Jersey. Because I’ve been getting pretty thin up there and, you know. Teddy Nappen 40:46 And of course, they ended with “Trespassers will be shot. Survivors will be shot again.” It was sign by his father’s door. Oh, yeah, okay. Evan Nappen 40:56 Well, they’ll probably just increase the fee for hair. Like, the more hair, the cheaper, and the less hair, more expensive. Or maybe they’ll tax, like Russia, at one point they taxed beards. Remember I showed you that coin that was the tax paid so you could have a beard. Yeah, maybe New Jersey will have to Page – 10 – of 13 have some kind of gun hair tax. And of course, there’ll be heavy licensing associated with that and having to do extensive background checks and hair follicle examination and all that good stuff. Teddy Nappen 41:34 They also tried to argue for the reason being was he missed out on multiple promotions and wanted to be paid $2 more at his work. So, if anyone at all, who has ever been upset with their boss, and. Evan Nappen 41:50 Wait a minute. Teddy Nappen 41:50 Be paid more. Evan Nappen 41:51 Maybe he also had his red stapler taken. Teddy Nappen 41:57 Yeah, red stapler, his red stapler. Evan Nappen 42:00 His red staples. Yeah, that also is a key indicator for any kind of a violent person. So, the excessive concerns over your red stapler. Teddy Nappen 42:12 Yeah, so the entire birth of the Red Flag Law is based entirely on someone who would not have been red flagged. From what the evidence and things they brought up, then nothing would have brought up. This isn’t like, oh man, he and the factors, like, he’s upset about his work and going bald. Yeah, that’ll stop him. Evan Nappen 42:32 Well, New Jersey has taken it to an even more extreme, because you have no due process on Red Flag up front. Zero, zip. Someone goes ex parte, meaning just them, talks to police. They get an order signed to seize your guns, search your house, traumatize you and your family, invade your privacy, steal your property, and you never know what happens until after it’s happened. And only afterwards, after you and your loved ones go through that entire traumatic experience, only then do you get to fight to try to get your guns and your gun rights back. It’s absolutely zero due process. When you hear the Left screaming about due process for you know, cartel members and all. Well, New Jersey doesn’t give due process to gun owners, right? Criminals, cartel, you name it, you know? Oh, they’re very concerned about due process, except when it comes to gun owners. Then, who cares about due process? Teddy Nappen 43:35 Well, it’s and then this is a good point that was brought up to me. Whenever they say the words due process, or they say the words free speech, because that’s the new big thing always. Or democracy, Page – 11 – of 13 free speech, TM, free speech, trademark, because they want to make it so they can have their free speech, not you or I. And their democracy, their version of democracy, where it’s mob rule on their end, where they have. Evan Nappen 44:03 I don’t want democracy. And our Founding Fathers didn’t want democracy, and America is not a democracy. America is a republic. There is a huge difference between being a republic, a representative government, a republic and a democracy, a democracy creates a tyranny of the majority. Our Founding Fathers didn’t like it. It was demonstrated through history to be a failure, and how America got perverted into this idea that we’re somehow a democracy, I don’t know. Because we’re not a democracy, and I don’t want us to be one. We’re a republic, and we need to protect the republic. Teddy Nappen 44:49 Pledge of Allegiance. That’s probably the reason why. Evan Nappen 44:51 Yeah, I guess so. It’s another move by the enemies of liberty and freedom. Well, Teddy, this week’s GOFU, an important lesson in which the GOFU is the Gun Owner Fuck Up. GOFUs are expensive legal problems, but not always legal that gun owners end up making mistakes and paying dearly, and you get to learn from them for free. So, this week’s GOFU is about storing guns at someone else’s house. You cannot do that. I cannot tell you how many times we get cases of individuals who are storing their firearms at their parents’ house, and they don’t live there. Now, the gun owner doesn’t live there, and they’re just storing them at a parents’ house, right? Or a friend’s house, where they have other people’s guns in their safe from other places. You can’t do that in New Jersey, okay? You have to store your guns within an exempted property, such as your home or your place of business that you own. If you have your guns at your friend’s house, there’s no exemption for that. Plus it can be deemed a transfer to your friend, which would itself be unlawful. And then if your guns end up seized in an issue, and they’re taken and they end up finding them somewhere else, then they can not only use it to take away your gun rights, but to criminally charge you. Evan Nappen 46:33 So, look, folks, if you’re going to store your guns, you store them lawfully under the exemptions which include at your home or at your place of business. That’s actually your place of business that you own. Or a FFL gun dealer that does gun storage, but short of that, you know also other exempted properties, such as at a range. But you can’t just have friends keep your guns. You can’t keep your friends guns. You can’t have your relatives guns. Your relatives can’t keep your guns. And this comes up a lot, and it is definitely a big GOFU. Evan Nappen 47:14 This is Evan Nappen and Teddy Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens. Page – 12 – of 13 Speaker 2 47:26 Gun Lawyer is a CounterThink Media production. The music used in this broadcast was managed by Cosmo Music, New York, New York. Reach us by emailing Evan@gun.lawyer. The information and opinions in this broadcast do not constitute legal advice. Consult a licensed attorney in your state. Page – 13 – of 13 Downloadable PDF Transcript Gun Lawyer S3 E256_Transcript About The Host Evan Nappen, Esq. Known as “America’s Gun Lawyer,” Evan Nappen is above all a tireless defender of justice. Author of eight bestselling books and countless articles on firearms, knives, and weapons history and the law, a certified Firearms Instructor, and avid weapons collector and historian with a vast collection that spans almost five decades — it’s no wonder he’s become the trusted, go-to expert for local, industry and national media outlets. Regularly called on by radio, television and online news media for his commentary and expertise on breaking news Evan has appeared countless shows including Fox News – Judge Jeanine, CNN – Lou Dobbs, Court TV, Real Talk on WOR, It’s Your Call with Lyn Doyle, Tom Gresham’s Gun Talk, and Cam & Company/NRA News. As a creative arts consultant, he also lends his weapons law and historical expertise to an elite, discerning cadre of movie and television producers and directors, and novelists. He also provides expert testimony and consultations for defense attorneys across America. 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Episode 255- Jasmine Isn’t Wrong… This Time. 25:16

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Episode 255-Jasmine isn’t wrong… This time. Also Available On Searchable Podcast Transcript Gun Lawyer — Episode 255 Transcript SUMMARY KEYWORDS Police duty, Jasmine Crockett, Trump derangement syndrome, self-protection, Warren vs District of Columbia, gun rights, carry license, New Jersey gun law, Jeff Cooper, personal defense, alertness, ruthlessness, social media, firearm regulations, gun lawyer. SPEAKERS Evan Nappen, Speaker 2, Teddy Nappen Evan Nappen 00:15 I’m Evan Nappen. Teddy Nappen 00:17 And I’m Teddy Nappen. Evan Nappen 00:19 And welcome to Gun Lawyer. So, you probably have heard of Jasmine Crockett, and I bet you rarely, if ever agree with anything she says. She’s got a serious case of TDS, which is Trump Derangement Syndrome, and she is usually off the wall on just about anything she’s ever saying. Except the one time now where we see that she’s made a statement, and the media is criticizing her. People are saying what? This is shocking. How could she say that? Well, do you know what she said? I’ll tell you what she said. She said that the police aren’t there to protect you. That’s right. And people went crazy. What do you mean? The police? You see their slogan “to serve and protect”, “serve and protect”. (https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2025/09/11/for-once-jasmine-crockett-gets-it-right-on-police- n1229866) Of course, they’re there to protect you. How could she be that stupid to say that police aren’t there to protect you. When in fact, she is legally 100% correct. That’s right. Police do not have a duty to protect you. Their job is essentially investigation, enforcement after the fact. Law enforcement isn’t to prevent crime. Law enforcement solves crime. This is what she said, and she is right. Evan Nappen 01:56 You may not believe it. You may think that’s crazy, but let me just tell you the law. And this is why, if she took her statement further, which she won’t, that is why we need a right enshrined. We need the ability. We need the means to protect ourselves because the police are not there to protect us. The old saying is, you know, “when seconds count, the police are minutes away”. Well, it’s more than that. When seconds count, it’s not the police job to show up at all. Now the police will try to, of course. I’m sure in all their hearts they would love to, and this is not to put police down. This is to make it clear to you something you may not be aware of, and that’s why Gun Lawyer is here. You may not be aware of the actual state of the law when it comes to the police as to whether or not they have a duty to provide protection. And the answer to that resoundingly, is a legal NO. Page – 1 – of 7 Evan Nappen 03:04 You can look at the case Warren versus District of Columbia, which is probably one of the most incredible examples of this very point. (444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981) In Warren versus District Columbia, a 1981 decision decided by the district court, a district Columbia Court of Appeals, what the Court held there was that police were under no specific legal duty to provide protection to individuals. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia) And wait until you hear the facts and area of this case where the police had no duty to protect. It’s so bad. It’s so terrible, and the judges even felt it necessary to essentially apologize for making this decision that they had to make because it is the law. Here’s what the court said. After arguments notwithstanding, our sympathy for the appellants, who were tragic victims of despicable criminal acts, we affirm the judgments of dismissal. Evan Nappen 04:06 Listen to the fact pattern of what occurred to these folks. And why they sued and why they had no cause of action against the police for their negligence, because police have no duty to protect. So, I’ll give you the facts right now of this case. In the early morning of March 16, 1975, appellants, these are the people suing over their negligence and what they experience. Carolyn Warren, Joan Taliaferro, and Miriam Douglas were asleep in their rooming house on Lamont Street. They shared a room. Warren and Taliaferro shared a room on the third floor. Douglas shared a room on the second floor with her four-year-old daughter. The women were awakened by the sound of the back door being broken down by two men later identified as (Marvin) Kent and (James) Morse. The two men entered Douglas’s second floor room where Kent forced Douglas to sodomize him and Morse raped her. Warren and to Taliaferro heard Douglas’s screams from the floor above. Evan Nappen 05:03 Warren telephoned the police and told the officer on duty that the house was being burglarized and requested immediate assistance. The Department employee told her to remain quiet and assured that police assistance would be dispatched promptly. Warren’s call was received by the Metropolitan Police Department at 6:23 am. It was recorded as a burglary in process at 6:26 am. A call was dispatched to the officers as a “Code 2” assignment, although calls for a crime in progress should have been given priority and designated as a “Code 1”. Four police cruisers responded to the broadcast. Three to the Lamont street address and one to the address to investigate a possible suspect. Meanwhile, Warren and Taliaferro crawled from their window onto an adjoining roof and waited for the police to arrive. So, the two women on the upper floor have crawled out to the roof. While there they saw one policeman drive through the alley behind their house and proceed to the front of the residence without stopping, leaning out of the window or getting out of the car to check the back entrance of the house. A second officer apparently knocked on the front door of the residence, but left when received no answer. Three officers departed the scene at 6:33 am – five minutes after they arrived. Evan Nappen 06:15 When Warren and Taliaferro crawled back into the room, they again heard Douglas screaming and again called the police. They told the officer that intruders had entered the home and requested immediate assistance. Once again, the police assured them help was on the way. The second call was received at 6:42 am and recorded merely as “investigate the trouble”. It was never dispatched to any police officers. Believing the police might be in the house, Warren and Taliaferro called down to Page – 2 – of 7 Douglas, thereby alerting Kent as to their presence. Kent and Morris then forced all three women at knife point to accompany them to Kent’s apartment. And for the next 14 hours, the women were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, forced to commit sexual acts upon each other and made to submit to the sexual demands of Kent and Mars. Evan Nappen 07:04 Appellants claim of negligence included the dispatcher’s failure to forward the 6:23 am call with the proper degree of urgency, and the responding officer’s failure to follow the standard police investigation procedures. Specifically failure to check the rear entrance position of property near the doors and windows and ascertain whether there was any activity inside. And the dispatcher’s failure to dispatch. All of that gone. Dismissed. Sorry. Police have no duty. There was no duty to protect. They got nothing. Zero, zip. Folks, this is a lesson. The lesson is that you are responsible for your protection. Jasmine Crockett was actually legally correct. Let that sink in. Police have no duty to protect you. It is incumbent upon you. You are the one responsible for your protection, not the police. So, anytime you hear a Second Amendment oppressionists say you don’t need guns, you have the police. No, we don’t. It’s not the police job to protect you. It is our individual responsibility, and that’s why it is our individual right. So, hey, Jasmine Crockett, what can I say? Even a blind squirrel finds a nut. She did. The criticism levied against her is completely misplaced. Teddy Nappen 08:31 Right! Only it’s more like a nut finding a blind squirrel. Evan Nappen 08:34 That’s right, but the only key here is Jasmine, take it further. Support the right to keep and bear arms. Support the Second Amendment. Support carry and the ability for individuals to defend themselves because of exactly what you said. Let me tell you about what you can do to protect yourself. As a matter of fact, what you can do to protect yourself is get your carry license. In order to do that, you can go to WeShoot. Our friends at WeShoot offer the classes to get your CCARE certification so you can get your New Jersey Permit to Carry. WeShoot is a range in Lakewood, New Jersey. They have a fantastic facility with great training and a great pro shop. They have all kinds of deals and specials. We love WeShoot. It’s where Teddy and I shoot and where we got our certifications. Just go there and mention Gun Lawyer, and you will be treated like royalty. And if you don’t mention Gun Lawyer, you’ll still be treated like royalty, because they are the best. Weshootusa.com is their website. Beautiful photos. And don’t miss the WeShoot girls that are posing with gorgeous guns. And there are guns that they have that you can buy, and they have great deals, great sales. They can not only sell you the guns, but also teach you how to effectively use them. Check out weshootusa.com. WeShoot is conveniently located in Lakewood, New Jersey, right off the Parkway. You’ll be glad you did. Evan Nappen 10:06 Let me also mention our good friends is the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs (ANJRPC). And the New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs just had a case in the federal court, where the Appellate Court gave a mixed win at the moment. But of course, the fight isn’t over. It was a, we’ll call it a partial victory, regarding “sensitive places” in the Carry Killer bill. Essentially, what the status quo is at the moment, has been maintained in which you can still carry in your vehicle. With the carjacker protection law that Page – 3 – of 7 has still being enjoined, you can carry concealed loaded on your person with a New Jersey carry permit in your vehicle. That is still enjoined. And you can do that because, remember, the Carry Killer bill tried to prevent it. You can still go on private property, as long as it’s open to the public and not otherwise a sensitive place. We lost a little bit in terms of filming locations, in terms of movie filming, and in terms of transport on public transportation. You’re going to have to have the gun cased, unloaded, etc, if you’re going to be riding a bus or a train. Evan Nappen 11:34 However, interestingly, they found that of the $200 fee, the $50 fee portion that goes to the State was unlawful. It’s unlawful because it went to the VCCB, which is a Victims Crime Compensation Board. Under the case law, you cannot have a fee for a license not go to the actual regulatory activity that is the purpose of the fee. So, that’s been knocked out. So, now the price for a New Jersey carry permit is $150. And if you live in any of the towns that are refunding, such as Englishtown, which was one of the first to start it, they’re refunding their $150. So, you can actually get your carry permit in New Jersey for free. So, the fight continues. This is just one step as we go along, challenging these Second Amendment oppressionists’ legislation that they’ve laid upon us. And the Association is there at the forefront, fighting for your rights. Make sure you’re a member of anjrpc.org, anjrpc.org. Evan Nappen 12:45 Let me also mention my book, which is New Jersey Gun Law. It is the Bible of New Jersey gun law. You can get your copy of New Jersey Gun Law at EvanNappen.com, and you’ll be glad you’re you did. Because it can help keep you out of the New Jersey Gun Owner Gulag. It’ll help you navigate the very complex course that has been laid out by the gun rights oppressionists who try to trip you up, turn you into a criminal, and stop you from being a defender instead of a victim. You need to be a defender instead of a victim, especially since the police have no duty to protect you, as you now know. So, get the book. You’ll be glad you did. Go to EvanNappen.com and get that big orange book. Order it today, and when you get it, scan the front cover and make sure you get in my private subscriber base. You’ll be able to immediately access the archives. You’ll also be able to get the updates that I send out, and you will be able to download the 2025 Comprehensive Update that has including a new stand alone chapter on “sensitive places” – where you can and can’t carry. So, check it out and get your book today. Teddy, what do you have for us on Press Checks? Teddy Nappen 14:03 So, Press Checks are always free. I assume everyone, yeah, just not only the death of Charlie Kirk but a brutal slaying of an innocent woman on a tram from just some monster taking a knife and gutting her. I was kind of thinking on now that there’s just all out violence that is going on. I look to one book. I don’t know if many people have read it, but many people are familiar with Jeff Cooper. You actually met Jeff Cooper, even I remember. (https://jeffcooperfoundation.org/?page_id=453) Evan Nappen 14:39 Oh, a number of times. And he was my favorite. I mean, man, when you got “Guns and Ammo”, he had that back page. The first thing I read in “Guns and Ammo”. He was a great writer and a great man. I love Jeff Cooper. Page – 4 – of 7 Teddy Nappen 14:52 Yep, he was also on the Board of Directors of the National Rifle Association. Evan Nappen 14:56 Oh, yeah. Teddy Nappen 14:56 Modern pistol shooting techniques. And he was the one who spearheaded it and just crazy Evan Nappen 15:02 Scout Rifle, 10 millimeter, you name it. He was an amazing legend and influence on the world of firearms and gun rights for that matter, too. Teddy Nappen 15:15 Yeah. And from what has been happening in this world, I look to one of his more popular books, which I highly recommend anyone who is willing to read or even just listen to it, is “Principles of Personal Defense”. Evan Nappen 15:31 Oh yeah, it’s a classic. Teddy Nappen 15:33 I’ve listened to it twice, and I assume you have your signed copy somewhere. Evan Nappen 15:38 Oh yeah, that’s right. I do, Teddy. I sure as hell do. Teddy Nappen 15:41 There are two key ones, though. I’m not going to go over the whole principles, but one particular, the number one principle, first thing he talks about, Alertness. Alertness. Alertness. He even has this quote in the book. “A commander may be forgiven for being defeated, but never for being surprised.” That is something to think on and live by. He kind of goes in these details about being far more observed and training yourself. He actually describes it as “make it a game”. Keep a chart. Every time anyone is able to approach you from behind without your knowledge, give yourself an X. Every time you see someone before they see you, give yourself an O. And then look at your score at the end of the day. It’s a great way to practice, because you need to be observant nowadays. If you sit in a car, someone’s there or something seems out of place, something seems off, catch it. 99% of the time it’s probably nothing. But it’s that 1% where it could be an issue. He even looks to call out, looking for things that are out of place, too. If you’re walking home and you see your door is ajar or you see something is off, why is that? Check. Always. Because you never know what’s going to happen out there. And in this day and age, you need to be far more observant, as all it takes is for something you miss, and that, that’s what gets you. Page – 5 – of 7 Teddy Nappen 17:14 There is one quote that also sticks with me. It’s on the principle that he carries, which is ruthlessness. It’s one that I feel that is very important now, especially what’s been going on. If violent crime is to be curved, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police. He fears neither the judge nor the jury. Therefore, what he must be taught to fear is the victim. That is something I think is very important in this day and age now. You have to learn to defend yourself. You have to learn and be ruthless in that regard, in that you have to, in those precious moments, do not think about the bad guy. Think about yourself. You’ve got to defend yourself, and then what seconds could be precious to decide life and death for you and he actually. Evan Nappen 18:16 Remember, reaction is always slower than action, right? So, this is part of where to, in a way, always at that disadvantage, and you don’t want that disadvantage to become even worse and more of a disadvantage. So, awareness ties into this with exactly what you’re saying. But the fear of the victim is really what carry and defense is about. Because once the evildoers realize that their victims will fight back and are no longer easy pickings, it is the same even in the animal kingdom, it is the weak that is preyed upon. And to a larger degree, if it becomes known that individuals carry, then the evildoers do not know who is and who isn’t carrying. And that becomes a deterrence in and of itself. That’s what you see in the states that have the correct and proper attitude toward individuals who are defenders. And that’s where that very principle you talked about is proven, is demonstrated. New Jersey is, unfortunately, not following it. They turn defenders into criminals. They have an agenda to take our guns and disenfranchise us of our rights, and it does a disservice to the very principle, Teddy, that you’ve just discussed. It creates more victims, and it ends up harming society and costing lives. Costing us in terms of crime, and they don’t care about that. They have an agenda that they feel is way more important, and that agenda runs through in a bias through the entire system. And that’s what we have to stand up to. And we’ve got to make these political changes and make these legislative changes. Make sure you get out and vote. All this is part of the big picture. So, these points by Colonel Cooper are timeless, and I highly recommend, if you haven’t read his Principles, it’s a very short, very important read. It will change your perspective on life and help you to not be a victim and to better protect yourself. It really is just a classic piece of Jeff Cooper magnificence. Teddy Nappen 21:01 Even just kind of rereading it, you see how a lot of these principles can still be applied today. He even talks about one of the stories with one of his students, where the student was a person who has two guys were rolling up on him with a machine pistol, that’s what he describes it as, and a shotgun. But the principle he applied to that was coolness. He was able to be accurate, and immediately, as the two are rolling up on him in his car, he gets out, aims and fires as the other two just spray and miss. He takes aim. Evan Nappen 21:36 Spray and pray. Teddy Nappen 21:37 Yup, but it shows the level of and that’s the principle of coolness, where you have to be accurate. Page – 6 – of 7 Evan Nappen 21:42 But, well, that was the classic with the Western gunfighter, right? That was always their procedure. Like, you know, guys will, you see, you know, fanning the hammer and all that. No, the guys that really knew it were cool under fire and made their shots count. That’s right, yeah. Teddy Nappen 22:03 But yeah, this is definitely something. I would highly, highly recommend reading Jeff Cooper’s book, “Principles of Personal Defense”, or even listening to it. It gives good advice, because right now, things are very hard. Evan Nappen 22:17 Right. It is, and it’s dangerous times for sure. Next, I want to mention the segment that we all look forward to, which is the GOFU. GOFU is the Gun Owner Fuck Up. These are where real good gun people make mistakes that can be costly. And what I want to emphasize about this week’s GOFU is this. I don’t want you to lose your gun rights because of something you post. And given everything that’s going on and with the ghouls that are out there posting things online, you may be tempted to respond in kind or respond out of emotion. Do not do that. Because, let me tell you, New Jersey actually has, as one of its disqualifiers in the licensing statute which applies to your Firearms Purchaser ID Card, your Carry Permit and your Permit to Purchase a Handgun. It falls under N.J.S. 2C:58-3, subsection c., where the disqualifiers are, but it’s right in the beginning paragraph. Evan Nappen 23:22 It says, “c. Whom may obtain.” Except as hereinafter provided, a person shall not be denied a permit to carry a handgun or a firearms purchaser identification card, unless the person is known in the community in which the person lives as someone who has engaged in acts or made statements suggesting the person is likely to engage in conduct, other than justified self-defense, that would pose a danger to self or others, . . . ” And that’s where your social media gets looked at. If something gets reported, if anything along that where you said something back even to some disgusting, horrible statement that some jerk makes online, they can turn the tables on you and move to revoke and deny your gun rights. So, don’t have that GOFU. Be very careful. Remember, anything you put online is public. It is recorded permanently, and it will be there to possibly haunt you and cause problems for you being able to have firearms in New Jersey. Evan Nappen 24:35 This is Evan Nappen and Teddy Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens. Speaker 2 24:59 Gun Lawyer is a CounterThink Media production. The music used in this broadcast was managed by Cosmo Music, New York, New York. Reach us by emailing Evan@gun.lawyer. The information and opinions in this broadcast do not constitute legal advice. Consult a licensed attorney in your state. Page – 7 – of 7 Downloadable PDF Transcript Gun Lawyer S3 E255_Transcript About The Host Evan Nappen, Esq. Known as “America’s Gun Lawyer,” Evan Nappen is above all a tireless defender of justice. Author of eight bestselling books and countless articles on firearms, knives, and weapons history and the law, a certified Firearms Instructor, and avid weapons collector and historian with a vast collection that spans almost five decades — it’s no wonder he’s become the trusted, go-to expert for local, industry and national media outlets. Regularly called on by radio, television and online news media for his commentary and expertise on breaking news Evan has appeared countless shows including Fox News – Judge Jeanine, CNN – Lou Dobbs, Court TV, Real Talk on WOR, It’s Your Call with Lyn Doyle, Tom Gresham’s Gun Talk, and Cam & Company/NRA News. As a creative arts consultant, he also lends his weapons law and historical expertise to an elite, discerning cadre of movie and television producers and directors, and novelists. He also provides expert testimony and consultations for defense attorneys across America. 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Episode 254- Is A Trans Gun Ban A Good Idea? 49:48

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Episode 254- Is A Trans Gun Ban A Good Idea? Also Available On Searchable Podcast Transcript Gun Lawyer — Episode 254 Transcript SUMMARY KEYWORDS Gun ban, transgender individuals, NRA opposition, Second Amendment, New Jersey gun laws, mental health issues, Trump administration, 4473 form, non-binary category, National Instant Check System, gender dysphoria, gun rights, political ramifications, gun confiscation, compliance rates. SPEAKERS Evan Nappen, Teddy Nappen, Speaker 2 Evan Nappen 00:15 I’m Evan Nappen. Teddy Nappen 00:17 And I’m Teddy Nappen. Evan Nappen 00:19 And welcome to Gun Lawyer. So, I don’t know, maybe President Trump listens to Gun Lawyer. Because after our show last week, when we talked about gun bans for trans and explored that topic, it appears that the Trump administration is actually considering doing that. (https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/04/politics/transgender-firearms-justice-department-second-amendment) And I guess the question is, is that a good idea or not? Now, let me just say straight out that NRA, from their news release, stated they are against any type of sweeping ban on anyone. (https://x.com/NRA/status/1963993115410198964) Particularly noted there were transgender individuals. They are opposed to it, and I can absolutely understand from principle why we would want to oppose as being not oppressors, but those in favor of expanding and not restricting gun rights. Evan Nappen 01:30 But if President Trump and his administration pursue this, there are interesting political ramifications that I want to talk about. It may, in the long run, actually be pro-Second Amendment rights to enact a gun ban for trans. Believe it or not. Now, I don’t know. I don’t have a crystal ball, but there are factors to be considered in this. My initial reaction, of course, is the same as NRA’s and that is, I oppose any kind of gun ban, because that’s a Constitutional right. It is something that should not be prohibited to anyone, because I’m an extremist when it comes to gun rights. So, that’s my personal viewpoint. And people could take issue with that by saying, well, you would want anybody? Yeah, because I think the gun laws don’t work, and you’re not stopping anybody, in reality, other than good people. So, gun laws are basically useless. But that’s not our society that we live in, is it? Instead, we’ve embarked on having gun laws that are claimed to be reasonable, when in fact, we see that they’re quite unreasonable. Page – 1 – of 14 Evan Nappen 03:01 I deal with that every day, especially in New Jersey, which has abused that situation to an amazing degree. To such a degree of absurdity, to a degree that generally in America, people don’t understand just how bad it is in New Jersey. And New Jersey is proud of their tough gun laws. They’re proud of it. They even go and try to impose their will everywhere else when it comes to stopping law-abiding citizens from having guns. And of course, it’s all fueled by what? By the Left, by the Democrat Left. You know, there are some RHINOs that will jump on board now and then, but it’s essentially their position. The position of the Left is restrict guns, restrict gun rights, and be our oppressors. Okay? And we’ve had to deal with that fight. And so, what makes this very interesting is that they are now going to focus on what is a darling of the Left, and that is the transgender folks. You know, if you’re an illegal immigrant or transgender, then the Left bends over backwards for you in every way, and we’ve seen it. Whether it has to do with protecting violent criminals who are illegal immigrants or downplaying any time a trans commits a mass shooting. Putting out their propaganda that says, oh, you know, they’re really not, they’re really not any more dangerous. Evan Nappen 04:44 When we talked about that last, where we went deeper than the media propaganda on it to show, no, they actually is greater psychological issues for those that have the transgender dysphoria, that gender dysphoria. This is, you know, all part of the propaganda media. But what makes this interesting to me is now it might be, by way of what President Trump is considering, a way of putting the Left back on its heels. It may be something where ultimately the fight as to the Constitutionality of that very action could actually have a great effect on expanding and getting rid of so much of the extremism in New Jersey, because now it’s the Left’s ox being gored, and they don’t want that. They don’t like that. And so, now they get to choose. What is it? It’s like that meme where it has the guy sweating with the two red buttons, right? Gun control or supporting transgender? What is it that you like more? Right? You’ve got to pick, and they’re absolutely conflicted and can’t pick. Well, that puts it in perspective as to all the other suffering and all the other things they do preventing all kinds of other folks from being able to exercise their rights. Evan Nappen 06:33 So, it would really interestingly lay the groundwork on even the challenge, which I would assume would be sure to come, that could have much broader consequences if it’s found, in fact, to be unconstitutional. Who knows? Maybe it wouldn’t be, which then might be even a problem. I mean, it could make it worse. It’s true. It’s hard to say how that’ll play out, but definitely the politics of it are fascinating. And if we were to just for a moment take a position of, let’s say, the Trump Justice Department or the administration, where they’re looking at possibly enacting a trans ban and doing similar things in the way they have stopped trans from being in the military and have taken other steps regarding that. What actually could President Trump and his administration do to effectuate stopping trans from getting guns? So, there’s one thing right off the bat that they could pretty easily do. That is, on the 4473, when you fill out a 4473, which is the form you fill out when you buy a gun from a dealer, one of the things on that application asks, are you male, female or non-binary? (https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-firearms-transaction-record-over-counter-atf-form- 53009/download) Page – 2 – of 14 Evan Nappen 08:10 So that non. No, no, that’s a separate question. That’s a separate question on it. That’s all. That’s a whole other racist issue there. But just on trans, the addition of non-binary to that form is, in effect, a lie. Because your birth is either male or female. And whatever you identify as, whatever your, you know, trans issues are, that’s all well and good. But basically, biological sex is something that factually can be determined. And what’s gotten interesting is that many states allow for non-binary on their driver’s licenses. So, by removing non-binary as a category of the 4473, which can be done in the same way that it was added to the 4473. It wasn’t done by laws. It was done by administration, by eliminating it. Now, anyone who doesn’t have an ID that specifies male or female becomes prohibited from acquiring a firearm from a dealer, because the Federal government doesn’t have to recognize non-binary as a category. And in fact, they could do that. Prior to that change being added to the 4473, individuals that had licenses from states that had non-binary as a category for their driver’s license ended up not being able to purchase guns from dealers and being able to fill out of the 4473. And that could be something that Trump could return to, by knocking out the non-binary category. Evan Nappen 10:09 It could even go further, because the driver’s licenses that list as non-binary could also easily be part of the NICS, the National Instant Check System. So, in fact, a database of non-binary, which exists in the states, can be fed into the NICS system. And that is precisely what happens with criminal records and what happens with mental health records. You can even say, hey, you know, whether I’m non-binary, that should be private. That should be. No, it’s not. I mean, mental health commitments aren’t private. If a mental health commitment is something that is databased into the NICS system and in which grant monies were provided under, specifically, the 2007 NICS Improvement Act to encourage states to put mental health commitments data into the database, well, it could be done for putting transgender, non- binary license holders into a database and making it a preclusion, because it’s no longer a category that can even be asked on the form. And, by the way, anyone who has received Federal monies for gender dysphoria treatments, medical records of it, medical commitments, in the same way that mental health commitments, that data can be accessed. If you think you have medical privacy, well, that’s a joke. Because I see it all the time in New Jersey. There is no medical privacy. And New Jersey goes even further. Evan Nappen 11:52 So, Trump could adopt the New Jersey model that they’re so proud of, the Jersey model, the New Jersey gun control, gun rights suppression question. It would just take a very simple modification. Because right now, New Jersey gun law, under N.J.S. 2C:58-3, which has the licensing criteria and what we call the disqualifiers. Well, right in there under subsection c., where they put all the disqualifiers, look at what it says. It says, “c. Who may obtain.” And when you go to number (3), it says, “To any person”, these are, this is someone who’s now prohibited, ready? “To any person who suffers from a physical defect or disease which would make it unsafe for that person to handle firearms, . . .” So, we’re immediately going at anybody with physical defect or disease, you know. If you have a physical disability, well, if it makes you unsafe to handle firearms, that’s New Jersey law right now on that. “. . . to any person with a substance use disorder involving drugs . . ., or to any alcoholic . . . unless any of the foregoing persons produces a certificate of a medical doctor, treatment provider, or psychiatrist licensed in New Jersey, or other satisfactory proof, that the person is no longer suffering Page – 3 – of 14 from that particular disability in a manner that would interfere with or handicap that person in the handling of firearms. . . ” Teddy Nappen 13:54 Good luck trying to get a doctor to say that. Evan Nappen 13:56 Well, all we have to do is add in, take the New Jersey language right there that they’re so freaking proud of, and just say, “to any person who suffers from gender dysphoria or has received treatment for that, or as non-binary, or any way you want to define it, or put it in there. But put it right there and then just add “unless the foregoing person produces a certificate of a medical doctor, treatment provider or psychiatrist”, and that’s how you would then have to overcome it. It’s simply being based on the gun rights oppression law of New Jersey that they’re so proud of. They want to force it on everybody else. So, hey, they opened the door for it. And what if such a law was passed? Don’t you think it would be challenged? I think it would be. And if it was something Federal, I think people would be jumping into the courts pretty fast over that. One, because of the activism, and this time it would be the Left, the supporters of gun rights oppression. Trying to say that by requiring that, what I just read you verbatim from New Jersey law, and applying it to the trans issue, oh, that’s unconstitutional. That’s a violation of the Second Amendment, you see. Now, when it suits them, they’ll argue it. Evan Nappen 15:29 Well, those kind of cases can have impact, and it can have impact in possibly torpedoing this entire approach as well as it should be. Because what I just read you there is not found currently in Federal law. In Federal law, there is no prohibitor for “physical defect or disease” that would make it unsafe. There’s no Federal prohibitor for that substance use disorder. No. Now you can’t be a user, a user, but it’s not about having a disorder, and the Feds roll with that. So, you know, you might be able to even expand on how the Feds deal with the drug issue, and kind of put in the New Jersey special into that one. Or “any alcoholic”. There’s no Federal prohibition currently on “any alcoholic”. And then you create their exemption, the same exemption. So, make these folks have to get the exemption that New Jersey puts in there, because their law is so wonderful, right? So, you can see that, you know. It is possible. It’s possible to do this. Evan Nappen 16:45 It’s possible to create a database as well, which is what’s done already in all these other areas. It’s possible to change the application, very easily, which has been done in the reverse. So, all these are possibilities that the Trump administration could do. And you know, my basic view is, I hope they don’t. Because I don’t want to see further oppression of our gun rights. But if they do, it may open the door for court challenges. It may finally, maybe, wake up some folks on the Left. Probably not, but maybe that they see it. They may see the light that, hey, what comes around goes around, you know what I mean. You were all high and mighty about screwing everybody else, and now suddenly, the folks that you’re so concerned about, oh, look what happened. Look what happened. So maybe you shouldn’t be so much of a gun rights oppressionists after all. And it may be a lesson learned, and it may be a way to teach that lesson. Maybe, maybe. Like I said, my fundamental feeling is the same as the NRA’s, but I’m open to explore it. Open to explore it, that is for sure. Page – 4 – of 14 Teddy Nappen 18:13 Looking at it politically, I understand, encroachment of our rights is typically bad. It’s not going to end well, and they’ll be or down the line. But politically speaking, this brings it into the forefront. Particularly on that. The whole trans issue is 80/20, more like a 95/5 and. Evan Nappen 18:37 Right? Teddy Nappen 18:37 And we have been winning on that issue repeatedly. I think what is very important about this is it pivots the conversation. Because now the Republicans have a new angle they can play, which is, stop talking about the inanimate object. We’re talking about we have a mental health issue in our country, and we point to this exact thing. Why don’t you want to deal with this issue? Right here from the last podcast, you listed off all the data. All the mental health problems that come with trans issue. Evan Nappen 19:09 And that’s right from the National Health. Teddy Nappen 19:15 Yeah. Evan Nappen 19:15 Folks themselves. They put it out. But you see, they couch it in a way where they’re trying to say, if you look at the articles on it, every article about this idea has the propaganda in it that says, oh, transgenders are not responsible for these. They’re not responsible. You know, that’s just, you know, prejudicial. No. There is the data on it that they’re purposely suppressing and misconstruing so it fits their message. You know. No. The data is there, and the shootings are there by these people. They’re out there. Okay? Oh, well, you know. I mean, it’s just a fact. But how do we solve it? And as you say, Teddy, with a focus, actually, on mental health. That may help to bring it to what the real problem is, because it’s surely not inanimate objects. Yet, you always see, you know, the blood dance that take place after any shooting. And, oh, you know, we gotta ban the intrinsically evil black rifle with only one purpose – to kill hundreds of people. You know. And then, when you ask them, can you tell me what an assault firearm is? They can’t even define it. They can’t define it. They can’t define what a woman is. So, why would you expect them to be able to define what an assault firearm is? Teddy Nappen 20:45 The other thing I can see is this in the grand scheme. We’ve talked about this with New Jersey law. If they did try to apply what New Jersey has to the country, to stop all trans, I imagine there would be a way where they would just try to carve out an exception, typically, those with gender dysphoria. Evan Nappen 21:06 Oh yeah, that’s right. Well, like they did that on the abortion providers that were breaking the law. They specifically carved an exemption under the gun laws in New Jersey. If you’re a fugitive from justice Page – 5 – of 14 because you helped facilitate an illegal abortion or help someone get it illegally, or you’re fleeing from that, you’re exempt. So, yeah, if anything, they would bend over backwards to exempt this from the gun laws, but we can’t let them do that. At the moment, by the way, New Jersey hasn’t exempted that. So, the mental health question in New Jersey, if you’re not falling in those categories we reviewed, then it comes down to whether you’ve had a voluntary or involuntary commitment. If anybody that has the trans issue has had a voluntary or involuntary commitment in New Jersey, then you are already prohibited under New Jersey law. They did not put an exception in, and the only way you can get your rights back is if you can get an expungement of that mental health commitment. And since so many have that excess. Go ahead, Tedddy. Teddy Nappen 22:17 The other way that Trump could do this, and I don’t know if it would be possible, particularly with marijuana, it’s still prohibited federally. And, you know, Bang or Bong, you can’t have both. Would there be a way to put the “gender affirming care” drugs in that category. A lower enough tier to where it can be prescribed. Evan Nappen 22:39 Hey, I bet that’s an interesting idea. They might be looking at that because of this issue, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the administration does take steps here. Because you point out the politics of it really end up putting the Left back on their heels, and like I say, even though we have a general aversion to anything that creates right suppression, the politics of this are undeniably fascinating. It just puts the entire political situation on its ear. Because now you have conservatives, including the NRA, standing up for transgender rights. Let that sink in, folks. And I’m not saying it’s bad, but you know, does the Left acknowledge this? Do they say, hey, the oldest civil rights organization in America is against this. And by the way, what about the oppressionists? What about the gun rights oppression folks at like The Trace? Are they in favor of a trans gun ban? Well, probably not, because they’re not really responsible for this. There’s so few and, you know. I can see them rationalizing it away, of course, for their politics. The NRA didn’t rationalize it away. They said no. They said, no, we are against any blanket policy like that. So, they’re standing up for it, but it’s still a fascinating idea. And New Jersey has laid the groundwork, if you will. If the Trump administration actually wanted to pursue it, they could follow the New Jersey model that they so proudly try to promote throughout America on everything else. Teddy Nappen 24:35 I would like. It would be very funny if Josh Sugarman comes out with a new book, NRA – Castrations and Gun Rights, or, you know, something along those lines. Evan Nappen 24:49 Yeah, NRA supports. Right. They way they support felons getting guns, right? But where they. Yeah, actually, there you have it right there. If you have the dysphoria, then you have to go through the Relief from Disabilities Program where you’re approved so that you can have your gun rights in the same way as a convicted felon would get their rights restored. So, they could do the ban. This is another approach. They could do the ban, but leave in place the ability for those that are safe and not a danger, just like for felons, just like exactly what Relief from Disability under federal law. What that program is about and that (Senator Charles) Schumer killed way back. We haven’t had the process for 33 years, Page – 6 – of 14 and President Trump and his administration is finally opening it up again, so many good people can get their rights back. Well, you could leave that as the mechanism for gaining rights if you have the dysphoria disqualifier. So, there’s already something federally in place that could be utilized to do that. Very interesting. Evan Nappen 26:03 So, anyway, Teddy. I want to mention our good friends at the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. We’re fighting these New Jersey gun laws that never seem to be enough. And of course, there’s a whole package that got halfway through and that they’re going to look to stick it to gun owners again. Another BOHICA (Bend Over Here It Comes Again) to gun owners coming up from Murphy and company. And it’s the State Association, the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs, that’s standing in the way and fighting to stop it. It’s that whole horror show of new bills, including the insane enhancement to the Gun Owner Gulag, and making any firearm discharge a felony, whether it was uncommanded or accidental. Immediately you’re charged with a felony, which will then throw you into the Gulag. It is just more of their shenanigans to incarcerate gun owners, to disenfranchise us of our rights. The Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs is at the forefront, both legislatively and in the courts. You really need to be a member. Make sure you join anjrpc.org, anjrpc.org. You’ll be glad you did. You’ll get email alerts so you’ll know what’s going on. You’ll know that you are part of the solution. Evan Nappen 27:39 Also, let’s mention our favorite range, where Teddy and I both get our training and we shoot at. WeShoot is a great range in Lakewood, New Jersey, conveniently off the Parkway. WeShoot has a great website. Go to weshootusa.com. This week at WeShoot, they have some pretty cool deals that I want to make you aware of. They have a Sig Sauer M400 Rose. Ah, the rose is but a rose is but a rose. Designed for women and inspired by empowerment. It’s a modern AR platform with a perfect balance of control, ergonomics, and performance. So, you want to check out that Sig Sauer M400 rose. They also have a Marlin 1895CB, a true lever-action classic, chambered in .45-70, built for tradition and trusted for generations. And by the way, the 1895 in .45-70 in the guide gun version, is the gun that both Teddy and I have bear hunted with, and one of them saved my life from a bear that actually charged me in the blind. So, I can vouch for Marlin .45-70s as being an excellent firearm, and WeShoot happens to have the 1895CB there for you to see and purchase. Evan Nappen 29:11 They also have a beautiful engraved Colt Python. That’s an American icon of a revolver. It has elegant engraving and blending craftsmanship and performance like no other revolver. They have a Juliana & Vaulttek Lifepod Safes, right out on the Jersey Shore. Juliana shows why these weather-resistant, biometric, and ultra-secure safes are built for adventure and everyday peace of mind. So, you can see all these things and more at WeShoot. Check them out online at weshootUSA.com. I’m looking at that nice 1895. Wow. It’s got a nice laminate stock. It’s got a wide loop lever, you know, the big loop for a glove on the lever. It’s a beaut. I love that gun, don’t you love yours, Teddy? Teddy Nappen 30:04 I do. Page – 7 – of 14 Evan Nappen 30:04 You know the Marlin. They have the guide gun, too, there. They have the guide gun with the big loop in .45-70 that is the gun. And man, with that .45-70, you can get some ammo that is really hard hitting, like the Garrett loads. Those Garrett .45-70s or Buffalo boars. Man, they’ll take down anything on the planet. As a matter of fact, I think they’ve taken the Big Five in Africa with the Garrett load in the .45-70 in the super hard cast. That is like a freight train coming out of there, man. Which is why? What movie in Jurassic Park? And who was it that had the Marlin guide gun in .45-70 for shooting dinosaurs? Teddy Nappen 30:51 It was Jurassic World with Chris Pratt while he was on his motorcycle. Evan Nappen 30:55 Hey, you got to give Chris Pratt credit, because that’s the gun I would choose, too. With the Garrett loads. If you got to face a dinosaur, that’s a great gun to pick. No question about it. So, you know you can do bears and anything else you’re hunting. It’ll take it down with ease and really do the job. So, check it out at weshootusa.com. Evan Nappen 31:23 Now let me shamelessly promote my book, which is New Jersey Gun Law. It’s the Bible of New Jersey gun law. Everybody needs it. If you want a Nappen book, look, I use my own book all the time. So, I can tell you, as a user of my book, you need this book. This book is the source, the reference book. I set it up so that it’s all question and answer on 120 topics with all the laws in the back. When you get the book, scan the QR code on the front, and get the access to the archives, where you have all the updates. Download the 2025 Comprehensive Update. You’ll be totally current anytime there are changes. I let folks know for free. So, make sure you do that. Get your copy of New Jersey Gun Law. You can go to EvanNappen.com, EvanNappen com. You’ll see the big orange book there, just click it and you will be able to be a proud owner of the famous New Jersey gun law book. So, Teddy, what do you have for us today in Press Checks? Teddy Nappen 32:37 Well, as you all know, Press Checks are always free, and I always try to keep a pulse on things. You know, just stay up on the news. I like to think it’s my way of like opening the morning paper. Got to see what’s going on, and stay on top of stuff. This came out of from, it was from CNN, but LifeZette. They covered the whole article. (https://www.lifezette.com/2025/09/cnn-panelist-suggests-democrats-could- use-national-guard-to-confiscate-your-guns-watch/) I don’t know if you ever heard of Jonah Goldberg. He was Editor in Chief from dispatch. A TDS Republican, and I put quotations around Republican. As you know. Evan Nappen 33:15 And what is, for people, in case you don’t know, what is TDS? You and I know what it is. Teddy Nappen 33:19 Trump Deranged Syndrome. Page – 8 – of 14 Evan Nappen 33:21 Trump Derangement Syndrome. Ah, now that that should be in the DSM. Don’t you think that should be? That should be. Actually, that could be a disqualifier. Trump should look into making anyone that has TDS ineligible to buy a firearm. There. That’s something that would probably be reasonable, reasonable considering how crazy the TDS folks are and how they are constantly talking about wanting to kill the President. Not only that, rejoicing in any bad news about the President, even, and lately, fantasizing in his death. So, hey, sounds right for disqualifier for TDs to me. I don’t know, man, right? Teddy Nappen 34:13 Give it time. We’ll see what can be made. So, he was on CNN, and they were talking about Trump putting out the National Guard into D.C. By the way, he has done a great job cracking down on crime in D.C. The numbers have dropped down to, I thought, you know, they have Charles Bronson walking the streets. They dropped so low. But Jonah Goldberg, in his TDS manner, decided to go off and say, listen to the Mayor of Chicago talk about the gun crisis in America. Well, what is to stop, and this is his argument, given the precedent that Donald Trump is setting, what is to stop Democrat Governor Pritzker or Governor Newsom, from saying, we have a gun crisis in America. Just as legitimate on the facts and argument as a crime crisis, and we’re going to send the National Guard into states and get the guns they have. There has to be standards. First off, ding, ding, ding, ding. Logical fallacy alert everybody. Logical fallacy. Mott-and-Bailey fallacy. Applying to. Evan Nappen 35:27 The Mott-and-Bailey fallacy. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy) Ah, as we discussed, the Mott and Bailey is a form of logical fallacy and used in argument. Just to refresh people’s minds. Where you have a reasonable position and the unreasonable position, and you use the reasonable position to try to make the unreasonable position tenable. Teddy Nappen 35:56 And clearly, you know, sending in the National Guard when there’s a massive crime wave to a city which, if it was named a state, which they keep pushing for, it would become the murder capital in our country. But, you know that’s not the point. But put aside all that, he makes this idea that there has to be standards, because otherwise they’re going to, the Dems will try to confiscate firearms. They keep trying to do that. And if they ever were to have the power, they would confiscate them. Do you know how I know? They said it. Evan Nappen 36:31 Exactly. They said it, and at times they’ve done it when they could get away with it. That’s right. So, that is a non-starter. I mean, who’s kidding who? And by the way, as a Constitutional right, as opposed to these other things. This is a Constitutional right, and you’re talking about confiscation and seizure. You know what? You know in Germany during the Reich, they called expropriation of property. Those things will be highly disputed. So much so that my guess is, if they actually try it, people will be willing to give them their guns. But bullets first. I’m sure. Page – 9 – of 14 Teddy Nappen 37:21 The number I would put it around, maybe like 3%. Evan Nappen 37:25 Three percent. That’s where. Teddy Nappen 37:26 They might say. Evan Nappen 37:27 Well, that’s plenty, when you start counting what 3% is of all the gun owners out there. But it’s still absolutely within the realm, especially in places where they are not as dedicated and an active part of their life is firearms. So, you do have those areas in the U.S. where they’ve just become sheep over it, right? Teddy Nappen 37:59 Yeah, and this kind of brought up a point. I kind of wanted to think on this. What would it be like if they actually tried it? If they actually, just for the sake of argument, Trump didn’t make it in, unfettered power to the Left, and they actually tried to do a gun confiscation. And funny enough, The Trace laid out the whole plan. (https://www.thetrace.org/2019/09/assault-weapon-buyback-policy-cost-estimates/) Kind of like Operation Sea Lion, Germany’s plan, because we’re talking about the Third Reich after they took Britain, what would they do to Britain? And they lay it out, because they were so sure. It’s by The Trace, the assault weapons buy back policy. Evan Nappen 38:40 So, what is the plan that I’m sure they spent millions in a think tank to come up with? What are the steps that we would expect that they’ve laid out. Teddy Nappen 38:50 To put things in perspective, they assess this is where they were breaking things down, where first the things they the one, number one issue that came into play as they addressed that, the hardest problem is the clear definition of an assault weapon. Evan Nappen 39:07 Yes, they still can’t get past that. Firstly, they still have to deal with whatever the hell that is. Yeah. Teddy Nappen 39:14 So, they cite to the original assault weapon ban. Then they cite to the 2019 attempt, where they list off the semi-automatic with detachable magazine with one offending feature versus two offending features. They list off all the, you know, the bells and whistles, forearm grip telephone, flash suppressor, going down. Evan Nappen 39:35 All which have nothing to do with crime whatsoever. But why should that matter? Page – 10 – of 14 Teddy Nappen 39:39 Yeah, or appears on list individual and just the usual stuff, but not even clearly defining what an assault weapon is. So, that was the first hurdle. Secondly, they tried to estimate the numbers. So, they put it between 3 million to 87 million would fall into the category of assault weapon, yeah, the assault firearms that would be confiscated. That’s their numbers, okay, whatever. And they gauged. Firstly, one of the hardest issues is the compliance issue. I love this. Compliance may be a challenge. Evan Nappen 40:16 Oh, it might be, huh? Yeah, not sure about that. Teddy Nappen 40:19 People may refuse to participate as New Zealand. They always point to Australia and New Zealand. Keep that in mind. Describe compliance rates were unclear at best, low at worst. A risk American legislators, too, would have to contend with. In recent years, the states of Connecticut, New York, and California have passed laws mandating assault weapon owners register their firearms. Keep that in mind, folks. Each has faced extremely low compliance rates. Reportedly, 15% in Connecticut, 5% in New York and California actually comply with the registration process. Evan Nappen 41:00 Sure. We don’t like registration, because we know the four words right? Legislation, Registration, Confiscation and then Extermination. So, we don’t want to fall for that trap. Teddy Nappen 41:10 Well, funny enough, they’re laying out the trap that it takes the registration to do the confiscation. That’s the sort of plan. Evan Nappen 41:16 Right it is. It’s the intermittent step there, and the immediate step that we have to always be on guard for. Teddy Nappen 41:23 Yeah. And the other thing they were leaning on heavily is that they would need local compliance. Vote locally, folks. That is how they do it. They’ll go to sheriffs, and they go to the lower tier to get people in these communities. If you notice, we actually talked about this. Evan Nappen 41:41 Except many sheriffs are not going to want anything to do with it at all. Teddy Nappen 41:48 Yeah, yeah, that is the other fact. And by the way, if anyone ever tells you, the Dems are not trying to take away your guns, they are. You know why? They said it in 2020 during the Democrat primary. Page – 11 – of 14 Evan Nappen 42:03 Right! They did. They’ve admitted to it. They’ve said it more than once, multiple times. That is their ultimate goal. Teddy Nappen 42:10 Yeah, beta or war. Evan Nappen 42:11 Unless you’re trans, unless you’re trans. Teddy Nappen 42:14 Unless you’re trans, of course. They always got to make an exception for peak victimhood. Anyways. Evan Nappen 42:19 Or if you’re an illegal alien. Those are the only exceptions for gun ownership that they’ll allow. Teddy Nappen 42:27 Criminals and trans. Evan Nappen 42:29 Yep. Teddy Nappen 42:29 That’s right, how it goes. But the Beto O’Rourke campaign had said they would do a buyback program, which they’d Institute under the 2019 assault weapon ban, covering all forms of high capacity magazine accessories as well. They would determine the compensation between $200 to $1,000. Isn’t that generous? Evan Nappen 42:52 Hmmm. Oh, a whole $1,000? Wow. Teddy Nappen 42:55 Or would use an independent commission to determine the market value. Those who refused to comply would be fined. Oh, isn’t that nice? And you had Biden, who was all for a national buyback program. They always say, buy back. Evan Nappen 43:12 Yeah, what are they thinking? They’re not buying back anything. Teddy Nappen 43:15 They’re stealing. Page – 12 – of 14 Evan Nappen 43:17 They are stealing it and making forced forfeiture, expropriation of your property. Actually, though, I do know one person who did do a buyback where it truly was a buyback. He had bought guns at a police auction, and then at a buyback, sold them back to the police at a profit. So, that was the only time I ever heard of was truly a buyback. And then I talked to this person, he was able to buy them again from the police auction. So, he did a buy, a buy back, and then bought back from the buyback his guns. So, that guy’s a champion. He gets an award for doing that. Teddy Nappen 44:04 Yeah, what also is very disgusting. So, they also cite to Eric Swalwell. They basically said, oh, I got my mandatory buyback panel. I have mine. You had all of them just saying absolutely at Cory Booker, Biden, all of them just saying, absolutely mandatory gun buyback for assault firearms, absolutely. But this is the scary part. This is the very scary part. They said, how would it be implemented? Well, it’s already proof in concept. Cut to 2018 with the bump stocks, where the agents, they’re sending out their minions to the residents. Evan Nappen 44:41 Oh, yeah. They’ve done it on force reset triggers. They’ve done it on fuel filters which they believe are silencers or suppressors. Yeah, no, no, that. That is definitely an M.O., and Biden was pretty aggressive on those fronts. And absolutely, that’s what you would see. Teddy Nappen 45:00 Yeah, it even says the crack down on bump stocks did not include a buyback, but provided a road map on how the Federal government might put a dollar figure onto the other steps. Basically explaining, we’re going to use guns to come to your property and take your firearms. Amazing. Evan Nappen 45:19 Well, there’s always what is BATF, Teddy. The BATF stands for Bury All Thy Firearms. So, if it ever comes down to the confiscation, just remember BATF. Teddy Nappen 45:34 Yeah. Evan Nappen 45:36 Better than a boating accident. Let’s face it. Teddy Nappen 45:38 Yeah. And the other thing too, with Australia that had the, you know, they did their confiscation. By the way, there’s, I think there’s a million other firearms still in circulation in Australia. It’s just shows. There is no proof in concept. This is what they would do, unfetter. Evan Nappen 45:55 They’re not about that. They just want to go after us because they hate us. They hate firearms, and in the way that they have TDS, they also have GDS, you know, Gun Derangement Syndrome. They focus Page – 13 – of 14 on objects, focus on whatever it is that gets the emotional hatred. That’s where you see them, and this is their agenda. Well, the flight will continue. Evan Nappen 46:26 Let me now talk about our GOFU segment, and that is where we discuss Gun Owner Fuck Ups. The reason we talk about this is because these are expensive lessons individuals have learned that you get to learn for free. These are warnings, because these come from actual cases that Teddy and I are dealing with all the time in the practice. Today’s GOFU is “falsification”. And let me just tell you. When you fill out a gun application, do not give wrong answers. You have to make sure that you understand the question and that you’re giving the proper answer. Because if you give the wrong answer, not only is it a basis to deny your firearm permit, but it is also the basis to criminally charge you with lying on the form, with falsifying. You may say, oh, I didn’t remember, or I didn’t know, or I forgot, or I didn’t understand. And essentially those excuses will fall flat because New Jersey, particularly under the case law in New Jersey, it’s virtually, virtually a strict liability type problem. Evan Nappen 47:56 So, if you are filling out a gun form and you have questions, talk to an attorney that knows gun law and can help you put the correct answer down. You do not want to have a falsification that will then have the ability to escalate. Let’s say, you are a firearms ID card holder and you apply for a pistol purchase permit, and then you apply for your carry permit, and for some reason, on your carry application, you put a wrong answer down. Well, it’s the same licensing criteria for all three licenses. Under N.J.S. 2C:58-3.c., it’s the same criteria for all three licenses. There are other additional requirements for getting a carry permit, but the criteria is identical. Well, if you become denied on your carry, then the next thing they’re going to do is file to take away your firearms ID card, your handgun purchase permits, and then attempt to forfeit and steal all your guns. So, be very, very careful. Do not do a GOFU on answering the forms. Take it very seriously. Be very careful. Read the questions thoroughly and always tell the truth. 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Episode 253-Gun Bans For Trans Also Available On Searchable Podcast Transcript Gun Lawyer — Episode 253 Transcript SUMMARY KEYWORDS Second Amendment, trans shooter, New Jersey gun laws, mental health, transgender patients, psychiatric drugs, mass shootings, red flag laws, gun rights, gun control, Saturday Night Special, gun ownership, self-defense, gun laws, gun rights oppression. SPEAKERS Evan Nappen, Speaker 2, Teddy Nappen EvanNappen 00:15 I’m Evan Nappen. Teddy Nappen 00:17 And I’m Teddy Nappen, EvanNappen 00:19 and welcome to Gun Lawyer. So, I’m sure you’ve been watching the news as they talk about the trans shooter in Minnesota. It’s getting all kinds of publicity. And it is, of course, a chance for the Second Amendment rights oppressors to do a blood dance and to demand further infringements on our Second Amendment rights. As the old saying goes, let no tragedy go to waste. This is, of course, their standard MO. However, interestingly. Teddy Nappen 01:07 Where now the mayor doesn’t even want us to even mention the trans. Don’t focus on that. Only focus on the inanimate object. EvanNappen 01:16 Only on the gun. Yeah, not anything to do with motivation or the actual person. And so what I found interesting here, and it really is interesting, and something that you may not have seen this or heard this point made before, is, look, I’m hardly a fan of New Jersey’s gun rights suppression laws, and that’s probably an understatement, but one thing that I don’t think the left, in their zest to take away rights, realizes that New Jersey actually has gun laws that dramatically remove trans from being able to possess firearms. Now, of course, New Jersey doesn’t want to emphasize this, and this whole issue of trans and guns and mass shooting gets totally politicized. EvanNappen 02:16 So, if you google this, you’ll get all this Google stuff about, oh no, no, no, you can’t, that’s not a legitimate link. And there was only, you know, they tried to limit. Only a half a dozen of the mass shootings were done by trans, you know, or something, as opposed to so-called CIS males and all this crap. Well, let’s just step aside from the debate about whether the trans issue is an issue or not, and Page – 1 – of 12 instead, take an interesting look at what New Jersey does to ban trans from having guns. You may not have realized that New Jersey gun laws do this, but I want to explain to you exactly how they do it. And if the left is so hot on dispelling the myth of trans being mass shooters or having anything to do with that one, of course, they just want to blame the gun. Well, let’s take a look at how New Jersey operates in creating the trans gun ban. EvanNappen 03:26 So, remember New Jersey in their regulation of firearms, particularly under N.J.S. 2C:58-3c., you find the criteria for which you can be prohibited from having a firearm. And when it comes to mental health- type questions, New Jersey says, have you ever been treated or observed by any doctor or psychiatrist? So, if that’s the case, you’re going to have to tell them, and then you’re going to have to get a doctor’s letter that you’re safe for firearms. And that’s hard to do because doctors don’t want that liability, and even if they believe 100% that you’re safe with guns, they don’t really want to put their ass on the line for you. So, that’s one hurdle. The other is whether you, and remember, this was just recently passed by Murphy, by the way, in the Carry Killer bill, whether you’ve had not just an involuntary mental health commitment, but even a voluntary mental health commitment. So, those are two mechanisms to disqualify an individual from being able to exercise their Second Amendment rights in New Jersey. EvanNappen 04:40 And so, if we go to the NIH, the National Library of Medicine (NLM), they have a very interesting article called “Mental Health Diagnoses Among Transgender Patients In Clinical Setting: An All-Payer Electronic Health Record Study”. (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6830528/) That’s the name of this article. And remember, this article was not done with any focus regarding firearms. Instead, this article is written to try to point out just how much mental health problems transgender patients suffer in statistically significant increase in prevalence for all psychiatric diagnoses. Let’s take a look at just how much psychological problem exists in transgender versus what is the control population, not including the transgender. So, listen to this. Number one, approximately 58% of transgender patients had at least one DSM-5 (Diagnostic and Statistical of Mental Disorders – Fifth Edition) diagnosis compared with 13.6 of cisgender patients. And of course, cisgender is what? What? In the old days, you may have called normal people, right? But not anymore. No, that’s cisgender, you see. So, hey, but whatever you want to call it, look at the difference in just those numbers. EvanNappen 06:28 And if you go down the specific disorders, it’s really pretty fascinating in terms of percent. So, for mood disorders, transgender is 46% compared to the control population, you know, the non-transgender of 9%. Staggering difference in mood disorder. How about major depressive disorder? Well, that’s 31% to 4.8. Bipolar disorder is 11% versus 1.3%. Anxiety disorder, 31% versus 6%. Then panic disorder is 4.4% for trans versus .74%. Phobic disorders. Oh, man, look at this one. So, we’ve got social phobia with 2.1% versus .06% for the general population. How about post-traumatic stress disorder? That’s 6.7 vs. 2.52 percent. How about schizophrenia? That’s 2.5% versus .37%. Schizoaffective disorder? Two point two, 2.2 for trans versus .16 for general. I mean, it just goes on and on of every psychological where trans is far outnumbered. They just completely blow away the statistics to the control group. Page – 2 – of 12 EvanNappen 08:21 So, what does this mean? This means that trans that suffer from these incredibly statistically greater psychological issues have, in fact, then had what? Ever been treated or observed for any mental condition? Seen any doctor about it? Therefore, there’s going to be a major difference in the number of trans that are going to get that “basis for denial” out of New Jersey. And what about just voluntary commitments because they’re suffering from this? So, when you actually look at the data, you find that New Jersey’s law will disproportionately, at least in terms of these stats, affect trans and I’m not and maybe they should. I don’t know. That you can debate. But the fact is, it does. It does, and that’s really interesting, because I don’t think the left had that as what their intent is. EvanNappen 09:27 As a matter of fact, from an article here, from Not The Bee, the title is “Libs are triggered because RFK just weighed in on the gun debate with a comment about psych meds”. (https:// notth ebee.c om/a rticle/cue -the -libs-bec ause- rfk-jr -just-weig hed -into-t he-g un-d ebat e-we- are- the- most-over-medicated-nation-in-the-world) And what RFK is pointing out that, you know, we’ve had guns in America like forever, as long as we’ve had America. But it’s only been recent times we’ve seen these mass random shootings. As he points out, what has changed is the over medication. EvanNappen 10:02 And let me just quote RFK here. “I certainly consider mass shootings a health crisis, and we are doing, for the first time, real studies to find out what the etiology of that is. And we’re looking for the first time at psychiatric drugs. You know these kinds of mass shootings – people have had guns in this country forever. When I was a kid, we had shooting clubs in our school . . . there never has been a time in history of humanity when people walked into a crowd, church, movie theater, school and just started randomly shooting. It’s happening in our country. It’s not happening around the world. And there are many countries that have comparable levels of guns that have not that we have in this country. . . Something changed that dramatically changed human behavior and one of the culprits we need to examine is whether the fact that we are the most overmedicated nation in the world, and a lot of these psychiatric drugs that have the black box warning on them, those warnings of homicidal and suicidal ideation.” Boy, look at that, huh. EvanNappen 11:16 Then you can follow it up even more from RFK, where he’s looking specifically at gender transition drugs. There are side effects to the gender transition drugs that contribute to these problems, and they’re looking at that. Imagine that. And of course, the Left wants nothing to do with this, but here quoting RFK. Some of the SSRI drugs and some other psychiatric drugs that might be contributing to violence, he added, referring to Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors that are used to treat depression. Again, he’s talking about the black box warning and focusing on the actual drug issue in our country. And what’s fascinating is New Jersey has actually structured its gun laws so that it creates the ban. So, if you really want to ever say, hey, New Jersey gun laws may actually have some effect, well, what it’s affecting is that. Page – 3 – of 12 EvanNappen 12:26 And of course, you watch the liberal media just melt down if you ever try to blame transgender ideology for school shooting and not guns. But it’s not just ideology, because you can tie it, apparently, and this is where the research is going to the medications themselves and the people that have committed these violent acts, what I prefer to call atrocities and then tragedies. Do you realize that that Minneapolis shooter sought out gun free zone as a location for the attack? I’m reading from a Bearing Arms article by Cam Edwards. (https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2025/08/29/minneapolis-shooter- gun-free-zone-n1229760) Cam points out that the New York Post reporter was able to get to the shooter’s manifesto, a portion of it, on X. And from this post, it says that he liked that the school would not have counter shooters. It seems that the kind of school not to arm their teachers. You see they’re looking for that victim disarmament zone, and we see this come up with these shooters. Teddy Nappen 13:49 So YouTube actually tried to suppress the manifesto because the shooter had uploaded it, a timed upload, and tried to delete it. I always love how the big tech agencies always sorry, big tech companies, always try to suppress the message. They always try to hide the manifestos of these shooters every single time. EvanNappen 14:14 Uhm, if it doesn’t fit the narrative, Teddy. Teddy Nappen 14:16 Unless it’s someone wearing a Trump hat, which over most of them are usually just for what we’ve seen of them, mostly, you know all, oh, a threat to democracy. EvanNappen 14:26 From the Left, the violent Left. The Left is the violent ones. They’re where the real violence stems from. And we see that over and over again. So, you know, they need to look deeper than the norm, which is always just “blame the gun”. They just want to use it as an excuse to take away our guns. Teddy Nappen 14:46 Something pretty funny. If this would be an Avenue, you know, how they we are always trying to fight ICE and try to eliminate Red Flag laws and try to eliminate disqualifiers. EvanNappen 14:51 Oh, Yeah. Teddy Nappen 15:00 I would love to see a challenge with the Association, also sponsored by the Trevor Project, knocking out the Red Flag laws because it’s transphobic. That would be great. EvanNappen 15:12 Well, the thing is, the red flag laws in New Jersey, called ERPOs (Extreme Risk Protection Orders) and TERPOs (Temporary Extreme Risk Protection Orders) could easily be applied to going after trans to Page – 4 – of 12 disarm them, when this amount of psychological problems exist. It’s so easy to do Red Flag in New Jersey, where we see folks getting swatted under this. And this really opens up for the trans issue itself to become a subject of Red Flag easily. What is New Jersey TERPO? It’s actually waiting out there. And I’m sure we’ll see that occur more and more. On one hand, they want to call for Red Flag laws, but I don’t think they’ll have realized that it can become a tool used to go at trans, particularly over their extremely high psychological problems compared to the general population. So, it opens the door for that, and it’s really something. Teddy Nappen 16:19 Honestly, and this is the sad part. I could see them carving out an exception if you’re trans that Red Flag and the blocks don’t apply. If they do that, it’d be the one time they do a pro gun thing. EvanNappen 16:35 Of course, they can carve that out because they’ve already done similar Left wing issue carve outs. I’ll give you a good example. If you are a fugitive from justice, you are prohibited from getting a gun in New Jersey — unless you’re a fugitive from justice because you got an illegal abortion done. Then New Jersey is fine with you getting a gun. They exempt those that got illegal abortions or helped to provide illegal abortions or helped individuals to get illegal abortions. That’s exempt. That’s an exception to New Jersey’s fugitive from justice. You know, a fugitive, when you’re under criminal charges or indictment, that’s an exception for New Jersey. So, yeah, Teddy, you’re right. I could easily see them creating exemption for the factions that they want to support and not have it applied evenly across the board. Teddy Nappen 17:37 Quite frankly, and this is the sad part. Here are the two key things. Number one, identify as trans. There’s a 42% suicide rate before or after affirmation. It does not change. The stats stay the same. EvanNappen 17:54 And that’s a very sad fact that there is that mental health issue that makes them prone to suicide, and that really needs to be addressed. And yet, suicide is one of the issues that the gun rights oppression folks always try to use. But, again, it’s going to have the disproportionate effect on stopping the exercise of gun rights by individuals such as trans. But then again, some say, well, we are saving lives, arguably, and that’s what they want to do. Then having that prohibition is something they want to see. But you’re pointing out a very valid statistic just in terms of trans themselves having that increased risk of suicide. Teddy Nappen 18:44 Yeah, and it kind of comes back to the idea of they’re being sold a false bill of goods. And when it and when reality sets in, that’s when that statistic comes into play. And it’s quite disgusting. They trick these individuals thinking, oh yeah, you have all these mental health problems, just become a woman and that solves all of it. EvanNappen 19:09 And then it doesn’t, and they get very frustrated. The medications apparently help them along to these other ideations. So, I’m glad they’re taking a good hard look at it and seeing because if it’s not Page – 5 – of 12 something that is actually good for people, instead, if it was something that was just sold for other consumption reasons, maybe medical money-making reasons, or those kind of things, then it needs to be looked at, right? Teddy Nappen 19:42 It’s actually proven for money-making reasons. I believe it was in Tennessee. There was the hospital where they actually had a public forum and open log video that broke it down and said how much money they could make from not only the repeated surgeries for trans individuals, but the massive amount from the drugs that are used. EvanNappen 20:07 Oh, yeah, of course. Teddy Nappen 20:08 By the way, there are multiple surgeries that you have to get because you can’t just. It’s not one and done. You’re chopped. They go in multiple times, and that becomes very expensive. EvanNappen 20:18 So it’s a very lucrative area of practice, huh? Teddy Nappen 20:23 Yeah, well, you know. EvanNappen 20:25 Well, here’s something on a little bit of a more fun subject. I don’t know if any of you ever read the Babylon Bee, which is a parody website. They do fun parody articles and a lot of good satire and humor there, at least I think so. Anyway, one of their satire articles recently caught my eye, and I wanted to share it with you, Teddy, and our listeners. The headline of the Babylon Bee article is, “New ‘Clue’ Board Game for Liberals Just Has You Blame The Murder Weapon”. (https://babylonbee.com/news/new-clue-board-game-for-liberals-just-has-you-blame-the-murder- weapon) So, this is really great. They say here, this is from the article. Hasbro Gaming has announced it’s expanding its board game library with a brand new version of ‘Clue’ where you blame the murder weapon and never solve any crimes. Clue, the Liberal Edition was being called the most interesting update in years to the popular game. EvanNappen 21:26 Then it goes on to make it clear. It says, Bobby, a cisgender white health insurer CEO and compete to be the first one to blame the murder weapon? Where was Mr. Body murdered? With what weapon? Was it justified? These answers must be answered before a Liberal can safely close the case and save the world. Mr. Bobby was killed with a gun. We need common sense gun laws, a happy looking non- binary person said in an excited TV spot advertising the product. So, the Liberal Edition of ‘Clue’ makes it clear when it says here, when asked who the perpetrator of the murder was, clue, the Liberal Edition’s designer, Adrian Rance, responded, perpetrator? Those don’t exist. The weapons and only the Page – 6 – of 12 weapons are to blame. So, there you go. That’s the new version, the Liberal version of ‘Clue’, where you simply blame the weapon. That’s pretty clever. So, there you go. Teddy Nappen 22:40 Candle stick control. EvanNappen 22:43 Oh, my God, you’re telling me. So, let us also mention our good friends at WeShoot. WeShoot is indoor range in Lakewood. That’s where Teddy and I both shoot, and we love it there. Well, they’re doing great training. You can get your New York carry and your New Jersey carry. You can get everything you need so you can expand your ability to be a defender instead of a victim. They have fantastic not just training, but also facility and a great pro shop. It’s a great resource right there in Lakewood, right off, easily, off the parkway. So, if you’re in Central New Jersey, you want to make sure that you go to WeShoot. You can check out their website at weshootusa.com. They have beautiful photos, and you don’t want to miss the WeShoot girls posing with really nice weapons. You will enjoy every bit of your perusal through their website. When you go there, make sure that you take advantage of their great sales and deals. Their membership options are excellent. We just love it at WeShoot, and I know you will too. So check out weshootusa.com, weshootusa.com, weshootusa.com. EvanNappen 24:16 Let’s also mention our good friends at the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs, ANJRPC. They are the premier gun rights protection organization in New Jersey. They’re an umbrella organization of gun clubs. But you can be an individual member, and you should become one. Because as an individual member, you’ll be sent the emails alerting to all the shenanigans going on in Trenton and be able to take steps to protect our rights. They’re the ones actively involved in litigating in federal court, challenging these gun rights oppression laws that we’re constantly being hit with. They also are on guard in Trenton with a full-time paid lobbyist. They are the group so you can help fight for our rights in New Jersey. And people say, oh, Evan, what can I do? What can I do? And I say, listen, one thing you can absolutely do is join the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. And I’m not saying don’t join any other gun group. Join them all, but make sure you’re a member of the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. They’re the NRA affiliate. They’re the largest of all the state gun rights groups, and they put out a fantastic newsletter. You really need to be a member to stand tall with your brothers and sisters in the movement. Go to anjrpc.org and join today. EvanNappen 25:52 Now, let me shamelessly promote my book, New Jersey Gun Law, the Bible of New Jersey gun law. Make sure you get your copy. And when you get it, never lend it to a friend because you’ll never get it back. I get that all the time. So, you could buy a copy for your friend, that might be good, but make sure you hold tight to your copy. It is amazingly useful if you want to stay a free person in New Jersey and not be subject to the Gun Owner Gulag. At least increase your odds of that not happening by understanding New Jersey’s very complicated, nonsensical, counter intuitive, absurdly draconian gun laws. Yes, I wrote the book to help you navigate through that mess. It’s over 500 pages with 120 topics, all in a Question and Answer format. At least as easy as I can try to make it, given that we’re dealing with New Jersey gun laws. When you get your copy, scan the front cover where you see that QR code, Page – 7 – of 12 and make sure you join my free, 100% free, subscriber private database where I send out emails of updates and other news bits. So, make sure you do that, and you’ll be able to immediately go to the archives and download the 2025 Comprehensive Update, which has full updates on chapters and a standalone chapter on “sensitive places” — where you can and can’t carry. Go to EvanNappen.com, EvanNappen.com. That’s my name and add the .com. You’ll see the big orange book right there, and you can order your copy today. So, Teddy, what do you have to share with us on Press Checks? Teddy Nappen 27:41 Well, as you know, Press Checks are always free. One thing I’ve kind of moved around with this whole segment is that I want to show everyone that way to look at the anti gun agenda and how to counteract and kind of understand it. Look to history. And I sit down and I ask myself, what is the thing being said? You know, we just had another mass shooting from another trans individual. And of course, they don’t want to talk about the person. What do they always say? Oh, we’ve got to stop the high capacity magazine. We’ve got to ban assault firearms. One ban that also comes up that I have heard is, oh, we’ve got to limit the amount of purchases of handguns. And I was curious? Who sparked that idea? Who was the first, and what was the origins and purpose of that idea? And kind of wanting to explore and pull research, I actually found the original article in the New York Times from 1975. “Curbs on Purchase of Pistols Enacted by South Carolina”. (https://www.nytimes.com/1975/06/18/archives/curbs- on-purchase-of-pistols-enacted-by-south-carolina.html) They were the first state to curb purchases of pistols. It was enacted by South Carolina Governor James Edwards. He signed into law legislation to prohibit the sale of more than one pistol to any person in a period of 30 days. Limit purchases of pistols. EvanNappen 29:11 Can you believe that it was a southern state that did that? Teddy Nappen 29:15 Southern Democrats. What do you expect? EvanNappen 29:17 There you go. You nailed it. Teddy Nappen 29:18 Every time. But he also signed the companion measure. This raised the legal standard for handguns and action directed against cheaply made weapons, all calibers, known as Saturday Night Specials. So, the Left’s entire argument about we’ve got to stop these mass shooters. We need to limit purchases. It goes back to it was a way to curb Saturday Night Specials, which here we are again. We were just talking about the mass suicide rate of trans individuals. Here they are right now, arguing it once more. It always goes back to trying to stop the myth that is the Saturday Night Special. EvanNappen 29:59 Well, let me tell you. You know, the history of Saturday Night Special, which doesn’t surprise me that they’re talking that language in the south goes directly to racism. And it’s a fact. Bruce-Briggs, in the article that he wrote in the public interest, pointed out that the Saturday Night Special comes from the original term of what was the N-word Saturday Night, and that Saturday night, the N word Saturday Page – 8 – of 12 night, or N word town Saturday night. That was known as the special in racist terms. (https://www.nationalaffairs.com/public_interest/detail/the-great-american-gun-war) So, the gun from that became known as Saturday Night Special. It has its roots in racism. So, the South was focused on so-called Saturday Night Specials because it was a less expensive handgun that poor, you know, less economically advantaged folks could purchase to actually defend themselves. And so, it’s rooted in racism. EvanNappen 31:15 This was the only ever. Get the book by Robert Sherrill. Sherrill wrote a book ‘The Saturday Night Special”. (Penguin Books, 1975) Sherrill was an anti-gun rights oppressionists, basically, but it doesn’t matter. Because he points out in the book “The Saturday Night Special” that the ’68 Gun Control Act was essentially not passed to control guns, but passed to control blacks. This was their pursuit. The pursuit was, how can we, and this is literally from the book, “disarm those people”. How do we stop “those people” from getting guns? And through the ’60s, with the rise of black power and all that, they became more and more afraid. Hence, we saw the growth of, the explosion, essentially, in racist gun laws and the underpinning to the gun rights oppression tied to race. EvanNappen 32:20 And that’s still taking place today in New Jersey, as the statistics show on who’s getting denied permits. Blacks get denied more than two to one to whites, strictly under, by the way, what I call the all-inclusive, miscellaneous weasel clause, which is “public health, safety, and welfare”. Where you get subjective denials that routinely disproportionately deny blacks. So, racism is still institutionalized throughout the gun laws, Teddy, and you’re talking now about yet another attempt by one gun a month, selling it in the same way. Teddy Nappen 33:03 It’s very funny. Five states that currently have the one gun-a-month style of law, the big one, California, Connecticut, Maryland, and oh, of course. New Jersey, again, and Virginia. Funny enough, South Carolina removed it. So. EvanNappen 33:22 Right! Exactly. Teddy Nappen 33:23 The very people that sparked this idea, this very racist law, got rid of it, showing very well how racist it is. But, of course, the anti-gunners. But this is the crux, and we’ve got to remember this. New York City also has one. They have an ordinance limiting the number of handgun purchases to one per month. So, oh, again, always look out. EvanNappen 33:49 They may even have a possession limit to two, like, generally. I’m not a New York attorney, but I think that New York City limits even the number of guns you can have. Page – 9 – of 12 Teddy Nappen 33:59 What they have is city limits on all firearm purchases. EvanNappen 34:02 Maybe they got rid of that. Teddy Nappen 34:03 One handgun and one rifle or shotgun every 90 days. They limit to one gun, not just a handgun. And EvanNappen 34:11 Y eah. Teddy Nappen 34:12 It shows the level they’re willing to go to, and that is always something you’ve got to watch out for. Especially like if locals that they state doesn’t have, what is it, gun rights? Where they stop the locals passing. EvanNappen 34:28 Oh, yeah, that’s statewide preemption. Preemption. The state law becomes controlling, and towns can’t make their own laws. So, you don’t get a patchwork quilt of gun laws through the state. The state has one law that controls the whole subject matter. Yeah. Teddy Nappen 34:48 This also came from Gifford. (https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-laws/policy-areas/crime-guns/bulk-gun- purchases/) So, they’re promoting, of course, racist laws. EvanNappen 34:52 Of course! Teddy Nappen 34:53 Racist laws. What do you expect? EvanNappen 34:57 Well, it’s all part of their blood dance. Anytime they get the opportunity. So, well, Teddy, I appreciate your bringing up one gun a month, and it’s interesting history. Now I want to go to one of the more popular of our discussion segments, which is the GOFU, which is, of course, the Gun Owner Fuck Up. We look at cases and such where gun owners have made errors or could have done better, or things they need to be aware of. And this one is something I recently came across from TAG, which is Truth About Guns, another great resource for great gun information. This is Scott Witner. He points this out in his article, “When Owning an AK-47 Becomes a Courtroom Liability”. (https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/when-owning-an-ak-47-becomes-a-courtroom-liability/) And this is very interesting. It’s things you do need to consider. Page – 10 – of 12 EvanNappen 35:54 He talks about how, in this Texas case, where in Texas, a mock jury study identify identical self- defense scenarios. In other words, they had mock juries and they had identical self-defense scenarios. The only difference is that there were drastically different verdicts, depending on whether the defendant used a shotgun, a Mini-14, or an AR 15. Again, there’s an argument here that AK-47 is carrying even greater stigma. So, what happens is juries get influenced by the type of firearm used. Not just even whether you put some crazy name on your gun, like Death Slayer 2000 or something like that, which is really a dumb move. But the fact as to what the gun is. Look, it’s not every time, but you know, if you say, as he points out in the article, if they say AR-15, and jurors may think of Kyle Rittenhouse, or say AK-47 and images conjured is Osama bin Laden, etc. EvanNappen 37:16 And so, he points out in the article, in a case study of State versus Ndolo, NDOLO. In this Arizona case, the defendant fired warning shots from a .22 rifle during a dispute with movers. Police later searched his home and found a loaded AK-47 that played no role in this thing, nothing. They just found the AK as well. The prosecutors in the case presented the AK showing that Ndolo was predisposed to violence. Imagine that argument. You’re predisposed to violence because you have an AK, and the judge allowed it. The jury convicted him of aggravated assault and sentenced him to seven years. And even though the Appellate Court later agreed that the AK should have been excluded as irrelevant, they still upheld the conviction, calling it “harmless error”. Are you kidding me? Do you think the jury wasn’t influenced by prejudicial presentation that they happen to also own an AK-47 that had nothing to do with the case? EvanNappen 38:44 And this article is a very good article here. It points out other examples, too. Anderson versus State (Georgia), where a defendant tried to claim self-defense by pointing an AK-47 and the court excluded it, ruling that the gun had no direct connection and it would confuse the jury. And then in Davis versus Carter, prosecutors introduced evidence that the defendant owned an AK-47, six months prior to the shooting. Even though it was unrelated, the jury heard it anyway, painting them as, “a dangerous type”. So, you know the type of gun matters. You better keep this in mind, even in terms of firearms that you own. And if you’re ever in a self- defense situation, you better make sure that your lawyer really, really fights hard to keep out any of these other guns so that juries, who don’t understand firearms, will not become prejudiced over just the type of gun you owned, and even worse, the type that you used. So, honestly, beware of it and don’t be a GOFU. Teddy Nappen 39:54 Actually, it kind of reminds of that judge who swept you with AR. EvanNappen 40:04 Oh god, yeah. They have no clue how to do gun handling. So. Teddy Nappen 40:08 Because he did not know that. He’s like, this is an assault firearm, and he waved it in front of you. Page – 11 – of 12 EvanNappen 40:15 I’m like, I know. Just yeah. The danger is the ignorance that runs through the gun rights oppressionists and suppressionists that just keep pushing the lies and the ignorance. But what can you do? We got to stay on our path of education, which is the reason for this show. Hey, this is Evan Nappen and Teddy Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens. Speaker 2 40:52 Gun Lawyer is a CounterThink Media production. The music used in this broadcast was managed by Cosmo Music, New York, New York. Reach us by emailing Evan@gun.lawyer. The information and opinions in this broadcast do not constitute legal advice. Consult a licensed attorney in your state. Page – 12 – of 12 Downloadable PDF Transcript Gun Lawyer S3 E253_Transcript About The Host Evan Nappen, Esq. Known as “America’s Gun Lawyer,” Evan Nappen is above all a tireless defender of justice. 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Episode 252-Adventures In Self-Defense Also Available On Searchable Podcast Transcript Gun Lawyer — Episode 252 Transcript SUMMARY KEYWORDS self-defense, home invasion, deadly force, criminal record, Illinois police, mother and baby, screwdriver, gloves, burglary, fear for life, carjacking, property vs life, defensive property, bear defense, Florida law SPEAKERS Speaker 2, Teddy Nappen, Evan Nappen Evan Nappen 00:15 Hello and welcome to Gun Lawyer. I’m Evan Nappen. Teddy Nappen 00:20 And I’m Teddy Nappen. Evan Nappen 00:23 Teddy, I want to talk to you about a couple interesting self-defense cases that have seemed to come up simultaneously, and they raise issues that, you know, you need to learn from. It’s something that any one of us might imagine going through these scenarios, and you should really think about how you want to react and what you’re going to do and what you shouldn’t do. Because remember, once that bullet leaves the barrel, you can’t call it back. You’re going to have to deal with the consequences, and you want to make sure that you end up justified in your use of deadly force, which is what we commonly call self-defense. Evan Nappen 01:18 Yet, here’s a story, this is out of Blaze Media about a mother hiding from a home invader in a closet with her baby, and then she ends up shooting the thug in the head, police say. (http://www.jeroldlevine.com/criminalandweaponcases.html) So, this guy with a long criminal record apparently broke into the wrong home after discovering an armed mother. This is according to the Illinois Police. It occurred in Joliet and the Joliet PD said they responded to a residence on Hadrian Drive in the far west side of Joliet at about 10:30 p. They say they saw signs of forced entry at the home and found an unresponsive man on the second floor with gunshot injuries, and he was pronounced dead by paramedics. They also found a woman at the home with her baby, and the woman told the police that she hid in the closet of her bedroom with her child. At some point, the man came in the bedroom, and at that point, she shot him in the head. The police further say they found a screwdriver in the man’s possession, and he was wearing gloves at the time. Evan Nappen 03:04 By the way, his name is Hurd, and he had been convicted of burglaries in 2022 and 2023 as well as identity theft and burglary in another county. He was paroled in February 2024. How nice. So, this character ends up basically picking the wrong house, and apparently only the mother and the child Page – 1 – of 13 were the only people home at the time of the attempted robbery. So, here you have a home invasion. Arguably, he had a weapon. We don’t know if he threatened her with the weapon or not, but plainly, she was scared for her life. She barricaded herself and hid. She’s protecting her child. I cannot imagine that a prosecutor wants to put this case in front of a jury. I mean, seriously, a mother protecting her baby from some repeat offender breaking into the home. This is the kind of case where you see a lot of downsides if the state is even going to try to prosecute her, and it doesn’t say they are. Even though it’s in one of those blue cancer states of America, Illinois. Even in Illinois, I don’t think they want a jury with a mother and her baby hiding in fear in a closet, having to defend themselves against a break-in burglary with this guy. Teddy Nappen 04:52 So, did they describe the guy who she had shot? Like, who? Evan Nappen 04:56 Only that he had numerous priors and had been on parole and had his screwdriver in his pocket. Also, he was wearing gloves, so he wouldn’t, you know, obviously leave fingerprints. So, this is obviously a guy who’s a career criminal doing at least burglaries. It didn’t mention that he had violent convictions. But, nonetheless, maybe he never encountered anybody before. Teddy Nappen 05:28 They would have let him out even if he had violent convictions. Evan Nappen 05:30 Oh, well, of course, in that, in that, you know. Yeah, it’s always, let these folks out. And so, you know, I can see the justification. Although you know it might be able to be argued. We don’t know all the facts. That, you know, she’s gonna have to. What she’s gonna have to do, if she’s put to the task of having to do it. But I would think any decent attorney would be able to make this showing. That she was in absolute fear. Fear for her life. Fear for her baby’s life. Over this intruder who had forced entry come into her home, and prosecutors normally give more consideration when you’re defending your home than if you’re out on the street. Juries don’t have a lot of sympathy for people that break into homes. No less break into homes where you only have a mother and a baby hiding in fear. Teddy Nappen 06:33 Unfortunately, the biggest issue is that they very much, the anti-gunners, have learned that, okay, we are losing the legal battle on people possessing firearms. So, we’re going to go after people to the tenth degree of the law, if you ever use that firearm. So, I would actually think they’re going to go after her because they want to make examples. Evan Nappen 06:58 Well, you’re right that they want to do that, but this case would be so perilous for the state to embark upon. I can well see just an uproar, even in Illinois, over a mother defending herself and her baby. I just don’t think they would want to touch it, even though normally they love to prosecute law-abiding citizens who defend themselves. Page – 2 – of 13 Teddy Nappen 07:24 It also depends on, it also depends on if the guy she shot was a Michael Jackson impersonator. Evan Nappen 07:35 Well, this is going to be of great consideration, but it seems like he wasn’t moonwalking at the time. So, I think she’ll be okay here. But, you know, when you think about your own personal security, this is a reason why, if you’re a guy, you want your wife or significant other in the household to also be able to defend themselves in case of threats. And the best way is, you know, just take them to the range and break your loved ones in slowly with guns, You know, teach them safety. They may even end up really enjoying shooting on top of it. Then you’ll know that you’ll have a safer household. And you want to do it right. Maybe look to also get some professional training, where they can go into courses as well. It’s the kind of thing you should think about. Because these kind of stories, it could have went the other way. If this guy decided he didn’t want any witnesses and took care of them both with a screwdriver, you wouldn’t even hear about it. It wouldn’t even be a blip on the news anymore. So, this is one self- defense case. Evan Nappen 09:01 Now, at the same time, there’s another case I saw that I thought was interesting. And this one, you know, the Babylon Bee is a parody site, and they have some hilarious, hilarious parodies. So, if you don’t, if you’ve never read a Babylon Bee or, I mean, just subscribe for free. They’re the funniest stuff. They send you emails of their parody stories, just hilarious. But they also have a news aggregate where they send out news called “Not the Bee”. So, these are stories that are very interesting. And sometimes you think, is this a parody? But it’s not. It’s “Not the Bee”. These are actually real things. Now this is not the least bit funny, the next story I want to tell you. But it does demonstrate where you have to understand the law regarding the use of deadly force. Evan Nappen 09:56 In this case, from the Not the Bee, they talk about an Afghan vet getting 54 years in prison for killing a teen who tried to steal his wife’s car. Okay? (https://notthebee.com/article/vet-gets-54-years-in-jail-for- killing-black-teen-who-tried-to-steal-his-car-youre-gonna-want-to-read-this-one-if-you-carry-a-blaster- for-defense) This fellow’s name is Orest Schur, and he’s going to, apparently, spend over half a century in jail. He was an ex-Space Force Sergeant. He’s been sentenced to 54 years in prison for the fatal shooting. He was a 27- year-old sergeant in the U.S. Space Force, and the incident happened in July 2023. He lived in Aurora, Colorado, where he worked as a signals intelligence analyst at Buckley Space Force Base before transferring to the Space Force. He served two tours in Afghanistan with the U.S. Army, earning 14 service medals in the process. So, apparently, on July 5, 2023, about 11 pm, he woke up to the sound of alarm on his wife’s Hyundai Elantra. He grabbed his handgun and went outside. He saw two people dressed in black attempting to get in the vehicle. His wife called 911. Evan Nappen 11:23 Now this apparently was the third attempted car theft at their home. Three times, the guy has gone through this garbage. So, you can understand he’s not real happy that this is happening again. But still, the use of deadly force, you don’t do it in anger. Okay? Then what happened was Schur confronted the individuals, but the carjackers fled in another car. Then the sergeant gave chase in his car and fired Page – 3 – of 13 multiple rounds at the teens. The suspects, they’re driving a stolen Kia Rio, by the way. So, they’re already in a stolen car. They crashed like four blocks south of his home, and the two of them jumped out of the car. The sergeant continued shooting at them as they ran away on foot, and it turns out that the two were 13 and 14 year old black boys. That’s what the article says. Neither was armed. The older of the two, Xavier Kirk, died, and the younger of the two survived, despite taking a round to the back. Evan Nappen 13:01 The judge sentenced Schur to 54 years in prison, 36 years for murder and 18 years for attempted murder. Now the person, the boy who survived, had this to say, and I quote. “An adult chose to use deadly force against two unarmed teenagers. That is not justice, that is not safety, that is that is not accountability. I survived, but I am not the same. My friend didn’t survive at all. And no matter what we did that night, I didn’t deserve to be shot, and Xavier didn’t deserve to die.” So, this is what is put forward. Evan Nappen 13:45 So, folks, I’ve often tried to make it clear and drill it in to lawful defenders’ heads that there are three key things. Three important concepts that you always want to keep about your mindset. Number one is, do not ever use deadly force when you’re just talking about property. That’s all that was at stake here. A vehicle is property. Life wins over property! Do not use your gun strictly in defense of property. Now, if they had been armed or if they attempted to go after the sergeant and even take away his gun to use against him or anything like that, but there was no threat made against him. He wanted to stop these thefts, obviously. He was upset about it. He didn’t want these folks to get away, figuring they’re committing, arguably, felonies, car thefts, etc. I get what might have been running through his head, folks. But overriding all of it has to be, you know, life wins over property. You know, and hindsight is 20/20, but you better make it foresight on you as a defender right now. You don’t use your gun if it’s merely property. I don’t care if the lowest scumbag is stealing a suitcase with a million dollars of diamonds that’s yours. If there’s no threat against you, if there’s no weapon against you, if there’s no danger or threat of serious bodily injury or death being made against you, if it’s just someone stealing property, do NOT use your gun. Evan Nappen 15:55 The other mindset you want to be in is you don’t want to be the troublemaker, the one that started it. If you are the instigator and started it, then you’re not going to be able to claim self-defense either. Now, in neither of these cases was either of the defenders the instigators, but that’s another issue I see. Don’t be the one that instigates the problem. And the final point, and most important point of all, is that if you’re going to use deadly force, to be justified in using deadly force, one of the key elements in the use of deadly force, the key word that has to remain, number one, that word is FEAR. You had better be in fear of serious bodily injury or death and that fear better be reasonable. Because it’s going to take a jury of 12 people to decide that your fear was reasonable and that fear was of death or serious bodily injury against you or another. Evan Nappen 17:03 In the first case, I think that fear element is plainly there. It seems to be, and it seems like a jury, if they were to ever get it, are sure going to feel the fear of a mother and her baby with someone is an intruder Page – 4 – of 13 forcing their way in. Therefore, you know, at best armed with a screwdriver, whether threatening or not. And you know that one, there’s a lot of fear there. But in the second one, not only was it just about property, but the threat, any threat, of serious bodily injury or death to him, evaporated the moment they took off in their car. No less, following them? And even when he went out there, there’s no indication that they were threatening him. They’re just running away. And look if they’re running away, then you let them run away. The police will investigate, and if they can catch them, great. And if not, oh, well. But that’s how it rolls with property. You can’t do what this Afghan vet did, and I feel sorry for the guy. I mean, he served his country. He did all these things, but our law doesn’t allow for that. So, beware. Teddy Nappen 18:21 Yeah, kind of thinking along these lines. Because one of the biggest issues that people talk about, that’s one of the main reasons why, like one of the crackdowns in D.C. is about carjackings. Would there be a way to change the law to allow for justification? Evan Nappen 18:40 Okay, so there’s a difference. There’s a difference between a car theft and carjacking. Teddy Nappen 18:47 Yeah, car jacking. Evan Nappen 18:48 No, no. See, carjacking means they are physically putting violence on you or threatening you with violence in the taking of your car. The violence aspect of the carjacking is where you may find the justified use of deadly force. That’s where it may, depending on the violence threatened or used. But just theft doesn’t have that element, and therefore you’re merely defending property, and that’s where it falls short. Teddy Nappen 19:24 Well, that’s why I’m talking about maybe adding it. Would there be a way to either like Congress or even like the state legislator? Well, to the defense of property. Evan Nappen 19:34 Okay. Yes, they could say that you could use deadly force in defense of property, but a lot of people would find that morally wrong. Because no matter what the property is, life is life, Teddy. Life is precious, regardless of whether people are wrongdoers or doing criminal acts that aren’t violent. So, you’re saying that we’re going to value property over life, and it’s not how we roll morally. That’s why the laws reflect that. Life wins over property. It’s also a morality that we want to embrace, because it is irreplaceable with life. Once the person’s dead, they’re dead. And, you know, the property, you can build a new home, you can buy a new car, you can put your insurance claim in. You can, you know, do all kinds of things, and even if you take a loss, well, it’s just money. Teddy Nappen 20:33 I understand that, dad, but just kind of looking back, like, if someone who the whole light, like, kind of thinking of the West. It was a hanging offense for stealing a horse. Page – 5 – of 13 Evan Nappen 20:44 Well, okay. Teddy Nappen 20:45 Along that aligns of someone whose lifeblood, their job, everything comes from, like cars or property. Well, I think along those lines, like it’s one of those. Evan Nappen 20:52 Well, the horse analogy is good, but here’s the difference. Teddy Nappen 20:58 I know we’re not in the west. Evan Nappen 21:00 In the west, a man’s horse, and we’re not living, and that’s what we don’t want, you know. A horse could literally mean life and death. You’re out, you know, on your horse in the west. But even the other thing was, you know, horse theft was, there was no, there’s no car lock on a horse. There’s no theft deterrence on a horse. I mean, cars can still be stolen, I agree, but it’s real easy to jump on a horse and take off. So, whatever reason, the morality of the day said, look, if you do that, you’ll die. It worked as a good deterrent. There was still horse thieves that did it anyway, yeah. But, you know, horse thieving of the Old West, it’s not our morality today of property over life. And look, even if someone today steals your horse, you can still get a new horse. I mean, just like other animals are property. Property is property, and we have this distinguishing line now. And look, I can be, I’m just as angry and upset if someone is a victim of theft. I get it. A theft victim, it’s terrible. I don’t want to be a victim of theft. I know nobody else does, either. But using deadly force on it is a whole other ball game. Teddy Nappen 22:21 It’s one of those where just it feels. It’s just in that realm of, here’s a guy, a veteran, all those things, and then two criminals roll up to take his car. It’s been stolen multiple times. I understand life will always win over property, but it’s just one of those things. That’s the whole idea of that. It was deterrence. And that’s one of the things where there’s got to be something, some way to pivot that, to say, okay, stop. We’re gonna stop all these property thefts going up and down our country. Because then you give that rise to vigilantism. You give that rise to people who say I’m tired of this. Evan Nappen 23:02 Well, it can happen. I mean, look, it’s a tough one, and it is morally very challenging. Because, yeah, theft is a crime, and no one wants to be a crime victim, whether it’s theft or assault or any of the other things. But I guess the difference is violent crime versus non-violent crime. We draw a line between defense against violent crime versus non-violent crime, and that’s how we have to live. So, look, whether those things can change, whether it can be modifications done to create other deterrence, whether there’s use of force that may be appropriate. That’s not for today’s discussion, but I tell you what? Everyone who’s listening just learn from these cases, because you don’t want to be that guy Page – 6 – of 13 getting 54 years because you were stopping criminals that were attempting to commit felonies after you’ve been a victim of multiple thefts. It doesn’t justify it, and he’s paying the price. Evan Nappen 24:15 Hey, however, on a interesting other note of self-defense, Florida has restored the right to defend against bears. That’s right. It’s by one of my favorite writers at AmmoLand, Dean Weingarten. (https://www.ammoland.com/2025/08/florida-restored-right-to-defend-against-bears-first-6-months-4- incidents/) He points out that Florida, under their great Governor DeSantis on June 21 of 2024, signed HB87, restoring the right of people to protect themselves, their pets, and their homes against aggressive black bears. And from July to December 2024, Florida Wildlife Control recorded four instances where people killed bears but were not charged because of the new state law. There were seven situations where people were charged with illegal kills in 2021. So, in terms of being pro-defense, absolutely, when it comes to bears. I’ve been, you and I, Teddy are both bear hunters. I was charged in a blind by a bear, as you know, and that was quite a hairy experience. The deal is, yeah, bears, you know, normally black bears are will avoid you. They won’t attack you. But, man, you run into a mother or a sow with cubs, you better watch out, or an aggressive alpha, you better watch out. And so look, if you defend yourself against bears in Florida because they’re aggressive, they’ve actually passed a law restoring that right to defense against aggressive bears. So, good job Florida. Glad to see it. Florida again taking the lead on allowing people to be defenders instead of victims, even against bears. I mean, that’s pretty good, man. Gotta like it. Evan Nappen 26:34 Hey, if you want to be a defender and learn to do it right, you should check out WeShoot. WeShoot is an indoor range in Lakewood, New Jersey. It’s the range where Teddy and I both shoot and where we got our training, our certificates. We love WeShoot, and so will you. WeShoot has some cool stuff. As a matter of fact, today, Sunday, August, 24th, you know, our Gun Lawyer podcast drops every Sunday. Well today, Sunday, August 24 starting at 11 am until 4 pm at WeShoot, they’re having an Exotic and Luxury Car Show. They also will have their beautiful WeShoot girls, Julianna and Krystina, and they’re doing a meet and greet. You can get pictures with them, and you can see the amazing team of photographers do a photo shoot. You might be able to buy some of those cars, and there’s going to be food trucks, too. It sounds like a lot of fun. So, don’t miss it. August 24, today, from 11 to four. Go check out WeShoot when you’re there, check out the facilities. You’ll be very impressed. That is a great research resource right there in Lakewood, conveniently off the parkway. Great trainers, great people. Boy, I love the folks that we shoot, and so will you. They’re just the best. Evan Nappen 28:05 And let me tell you about some special sales that WeShoot, just to alert you, in case you’re a bargain hunter and are looking for some really good guns. They have the Ruger Mark IV 22/45 Lite. It’s a lightweight .22 long rifle with a sleek, anodized finish, perfect for precision blinking and training with the signature mark four takedown system. And let me tell you, folks, I’ve had every version of a Ruger 22. I’ve had Mark ones, Mark twos, Mark threes and Mark fours. Up until the Mark IV, as much as I love the Ruger .22, what a pain in the ass putting it back together. Oh, my God. Ask anybody that’s ever had to take apart and put together those Ruger pistols. As reliable and wonderful as they are, that was always the part that sucked. But I’ll tell you what’s great, the Mark IVs. Oh my god, night and day difference. Page – 7 – of 13 Push a button, boop, take down. It went from the toughest to the easiest. So, if you love the Ruger Mark series of the famous Ruger .22 semi-auto pistol, you need to get a Mark IV. It is the best. That’s all I use, man. When we go to the range, you want a great .22 shooter. That Mark IV is the perfect one. It’s so easy to clean, so easy to take down now, and it’s got that Ruger quality. And what’s cool about the 22/45 is it mimics the grip and hold and such of a 1911. So, if you’re a 1911 fan, you’ll love the 22/45. And Lite means it’s a little bit lighter weight. So, if you want to take your daughters or your kids or your spouse that may be smaller framed and not as strong, they’ll love shooting that pistol because it’s lightweight, accurate, fun and easy to clean. So, check out the Ruger Mark IV 22/45 Lite at WeShoot. Evan Nappen 30:25 They also have a Colt Delta Elite. That’s a legendary 10 millimeter powerhouse in a 1911 form, built to handle high performance loads with Colt’s timeless styling and steel frame strength. Yeah, you want a really strong, tough 10. I love the 10. Ten millimeter is a great round. Get that Delta Elite you got, if you’re a 1911 fan and you want to shoot 10 Colt Delta elites, the best, right there. Can’t beat it. And we shoot, got him. Plus they have a Springfield Saint Victor. That’s the go to AR with OD green furniture and serious reliability, whether for home defense or hitting drills at the range. And of course, it is New Jersey compliant, because WeShoot wouldn’t sell anything that wasn’t. So, if you want to look at some great guns, go there and try them out. They have the range that you want to make sure you take advantage of. And they’re relaunching, by the way, WeShoot Studio. They’re doing all kinds of cool stuff with WeShoot Studio, from protecting freedom, preserving tradition and living the All American lifestyle. They have a fantastic online web store. Go to weshootusa.com, weshootusa.com, and check out WeShoot. Pay them a visit and tell them Evan sent you. You’ll be glad you did. Evan Nappen 31:59 Let me also make sure I mention our good friends at the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. They are the stalwart defenders of our Second Amendment rights in New Jersey, the umbrella organization of a multitude of gun clubs, putting a strong force in the face of Murphy and the Democrats Second Amendment oppression that they never seem to get enough of. We’re battling through the Association. They have a full-time paid lobbyist. They have multiple federal court challenges and actions taking place, fighting for our rights in New Jersey. We have a tough fight, but we have got a great group. You need to be a member of anjrpc.org, the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistols Clubs. Please make sure you belong and be part of the solution. They will send you email updates. You’ll be alerted to all the shenanigans taking place in Trenton. You’ll be alerted to the court fights that are being undergone, and you’ll be given the ability to send out instant, very simple messages right to legislators to know that we’re watching them and to oppose or support certain bills. It is an incredible tool. Make sure you’re part of ANJRPC as we fight for our rights through the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs, anjrpc.org. Evan Nappen 33:28 Let me not forget to shamelessly promote my book, New Jersey Gun Law, the Bible of New Jersey gun laws. It’s the one and only book that explains it all, all question and answer in a format that’s easy to understand. You will be glad you have it. It will help you get through the matrix of traps that New Jersey lays for law-abiding citizens. Go to EvanNappen.com and order your copy today, right there at Page – 8 – of 13 EvanNappen.com yep, that’s my website. And when you get the copy of your book, scan the QR code on the front and for free, subscribe to my private database of subscribers. You’ll get email alerts from me, and you’ll be able to access the archive to get all updates, including the 2025 Comprehensive Update. All for free. I want your book to stay current. So, make sure you get your copy today at EvanNappen.com. Hey, Teddy. I’m looking forward to your Press Checks today. What do you have for us? Teddy Nappen 34:38 Oh, stop me if you’ve heard this one. Evan Nappen 34:41 Stop! Just kidding. Teddy Nappen 34:43 Anytime, well, fair enough. All right, yeah, the whole thing. But as we know, Press Checks are always free. So, every time the left and the gun rights oppressionists always push this stupid concept. “The Second Amendment only applies to muzzle loaders or firearms that were in the 1700s. It never was meant to apply for an assault firearm or machine guns. It was never even thought of that.” Evan Nappen 35:16 I mean, repeating firearms weren’t included. Teddy Nappen 35:19 I even remember, I think it was Brady, or whoever, that put out that stupid ad where it was someone committing a mass shooting with a musket. He was shooting, and he kills like three people, which, by the way, he still killed three people walking in by reloading. But you know, whatever. They always make that argument, and you know what I’m going to say looking back in history? Because, frankly, they don’t know history very clearly. There were examples of things beyond just simple muskets. But, you know, they don’t do their research because they actually don’t take the time to, you know, have one thought. Evan Nappen 36:00 What repeating firearms have you found that existed, say, at the time of the Founding Fathers? Were there any? Teddy Nappen 36:07 Well, let’s start with 1718 with James Evan Nappen 36:11 1718! Teddy Nappen 36:14 Yes, with the 18. Page – 9 – of 13 Evan Nappen 36:15 You’re talking almost 60 years before our Declaration of Independence. Teddy Nappen 36:23 Yes, you know, right before the Declaration of Independence, actually having the Puckle Gun. It was a pre-loaded cylinder which held 11 charges and could fire 63 shots in several minutes, nine shots per minute, and could be fired. And this is something that was actually used aboard British ships and would repel borders. And although it was never widely used, it was known at the time of the American Revolution, so already dispelling the left’s argument, like the Second Amendment was never applied for machine guns. Well, there hold my beer to James Puckle, because there was the Puckle Gun. Also there was the Ferguson rifle, a it was a Flintlock, but was breech loading. Ran at the standard muzzle loading rifle. It could fire up the several rounds per minute, two or three times faster than a muzzle loader, and it was light infantry. You can and could continue loading and firing without breaking cover, even when lying prone. And this was also used against the Americans by the British in 17 seven, kind of, right, those Brits in 1777. Oh, look on another one. Oh, this one you always love, the Giro Donny air rifle at the air Evan Nappen 37:47 Yeah, went on the Lewis and Clark expedition, an air gun right Teddy Nappen 37:54 Now. It came out in 1779. Oh, just right on the cusp. Well, Evan Nappen 37:58 the Austrians actually used air guns that were repeat fire. And Napoleon said anyone caught with an air gun got death because they hated those air guns because they didn’t make the same they didn’t make smoke the way black powder did, and they could be used very effectively. Teddy Nappen 38:21 It also had a detachable magazine with 19 rounds of ammunition, of Evan Nappen 38:28 course. So, hey, in New Jersey, air guns are firearms. Teddy Nappen 38:32 Yeah, so that’s an assault firearm with a high capacity magazine. Well, Evan Nappen 38:36 Well, no, it’s not an assault firearm, because of the case I did. Coalition v. Florio, where we got air guns removed from the assault firearm law, even though they wanted them included, but based on federal preemption, we were able to take them out of that, and that saved a lot of people over the years. That case, that I did, because they still would charge people even with air guns as being assault firearm. Who’s Page – 10 – of 13 Teddy Nappen 39:00 the Who’s your friend? The guy was a Navy aren’t who’s the one guy that does the RE, the reproductions of, like, Classic Firearms. I want them to market, well, air gun as a way for, as you know, for something you know, Teddy, you’re right. I what was, Evan Nappen 39:14 I’d be very funny, of course, Val Forget, who’s deceased, but his son still has Navy Arms and you would Val, you know, imported and brought in black powder guns. And these were one of the he’s one of the early pioneers of establishing the market in terms of black powder firearms. But I actually wondered the same thing, Teddy, how come they don’t reproduce with modern materials, the Austrian military air rifle. I mean, that thing was powerful. It was incredible. It was used militarily. It’s an awesome gun. I don’t know why nobody makes a modern material copy of the Austrian. Uh, air rifle. That would really be cool. And, you know, maybe someday somebody will or of the a copy of the gun used on the Lewis and Clark expedition that you’re talking about that too, would be cool. And think about it. It made sense, because they were going into the wilderness. We’re gonna find gunpowder in the wilderness, but he always had air so with an air gun, an air rifle that could take down game, deer, etc, they could still hunt. So it was a really smart, forward thinking move to have hunting air gun. And it’s also not a bad idea for folks you know that want to prep today, there still are, today, high power air guns that can take game, small game, particularly the brake barrel air guns and other air guns. So you know, air guns can be a very potent tool in one’s survival plans. Absolutely Teddy Nappen 41:03 and also just another reminder, because they always like the multi shot idea. Sure enough, the master, John dafta, had a revolver that had a snap, a snap on lock. It was made where it had a powder shelf drum almost looked like a striker, but smaller as a way, like a striker 12 shotgun, but was cylinder, but it used a flintlock level where it could hold the powder, massive cylinder that could hold and it was used. And sure enough, 1680 Yeah, so as revolvers. So you have revolvers, you have you have air guns that could had detachable magazines, machine guns. Evan Nappen 41:51 And what about our, what about our favorite gun that that our buddy Patrick carried? Oh, yeah, Sharps. Sharps. Yeah, Richard Sharp’s good friend from where Teddy Nappen 42:04 Mr. Knox, Knox, volley gun, the Evan Nappen 42:07 knock. Volley, gun, yeah, they made a big play in that. What a great series. The sharps Teddy Nappen 42:14 right under caught it right under. This is from the armors bench of 1770 the armors bench by the article detailed about Miss of Henry. Page – 11 – of 13 Evan Nappen 42:27 What we what was the year of the knock volley gun? When did 1979 so Wow, 1779 still during the American Revolution, and it fired? Was it seven? I think at least seven or eight. I forgot how many, but all it would fire all at once. And it was originally made with the idea of, if you were on ship, and you would be up on the mast, and when you were going to board, you could fire the volley gun onto the deck of the other ship, putting a spray of bullets down on the on the enemy. And yet, of course, it was quite a heavy gun. But in the series, Patrick is a big, tough, strong Irishman that you know, carries that gun like it’s a carbon fiber AR15, you know, not a problem, yeah, Teddy Nappen 43:22 yeah. And it’s seven shots going in at once, which, by the way, for people that they’re always saying he could reload and had more shots, imagine spraying the entire group of people like it’s anytime they try to make the argument point to history that is the only way Evan Nappen 43:40 to win. Henry knock was quite a prominent British gun maker. And you know, I showed you, I have a Henry knock pistol made by Henry knock his stuff was really cool, but that volley gun was really an interesting piece. Teddy Nappen 43:56 But if anyone wants to, they can check out the armors bench. They did a great article talking about the knock volley gun. And then from the Arizona independent, where they is by Jonathan Dumas, where he talked about these various examples, trying to dispel this whole argument that the left always makes. And here I have a test for you, Dad. Do you have this book British military firearms from 1650 to 1850 by Blackmore printed 1961. Evan Nappen 44:28 I believe I do. As a matter of fact, you probably grabbed it out of my library, didn’t you? Put it back! Teddy Nappen 44:34 No, no, that’s the one they cited to, but I was curious if you actually. Evan Nappen 44:40 Well, Teddy, I appreciate the interesting historic facts about repeating arms and again, dispelling the lie of the propaganda media that never ceases to lie. And why don’t we go? Repress our rights, also Teddy Nappen 45:02 Also, from the Military Review, Matthew Elmers, who did another great article detailing the historical revolvers, like the early revolvers. Evan Nappen 45:10 Well, this is going to be, it’s of more and more importance under the Bruen decision by, you know, Saint Thomas there, where we have to show the historical text and tradition, and when it comes to repeating firearms, there’s a good history of it. So, this should even be helpful in the coming federal challenges. Page – 12 – of 13 But now let’s go to the segment that everybody loves, and that is the GOFU. That’s the Gun Owner Fuck Up. And why do we talk about GOFUs? Because these are expensive lessons that other gun owners have experienced. So, you get to learn for free. And I just want to hammer home on a primary GOFU that I see a lot, and it has to do with people waiving their rights. Oh, my God. Anytime I get a call from somebody and they didn’t stand on their rights, they consented to a warrantless search. Why??? They were, even after being Mirandized, they talk to the police and don’t ask for a lawyer. Folks, this is so basic and so simple. If you’re ever read Miranda, shut the fuck up and say, I want my lawyer. I want to talk to my lawyer. Miranda is the end of the line. If you’ve been read Miranda, you’re done. Just shut up. Evan Nappen 46:52 Now, you shouldn’t be talking anyway. You have no obligation to speak or to answer questions. Your fallback always has to be, I want my lawyer. Let’s talk to my lawyer. I’ll do whatever my lawyer says. Talk to my lawyer. Always put your lawyer between you and the Government. Anytime the Government wants to get in your life, put your lawyer between you and them. Because as your lawyer, I can’t convict you, put evidence against you, or be used and twisted against you. But anything that comes out of your lips, it can be used in that way. And I can then find out, talk with the officers, and then I can talk with you, and that’s what smart people do. So, don’t be the GOFU where you gave up your rights. Please think of all the men and women who sacrificed for those rights. We’re blessed to have them. Don’t give them away. Ask for your lawyer. Remain silent. Don’t consent to any searches without specific advice from your lawyer that you’re going to be asking for. Evan Nappen 48:18 This is Evan Nappen and Teddy Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens. Speaker 2 48:29 Gun Lawyer is a Counter Think Media production. The music used in this broadcast was managed by Cosmo Music, New York, New York. Reach us by emailing Evan@gun.lawyer. The information and opinions in this broadcast do not constitute legal advice. Consult a licensed attorney in your state. Page – 13 – of 13 Downloadable PDF Transcript Gun Lawyer S3 E252_Transcript About The Host Evan Nappen, Esq. Known as “America’s Gun Lawyer,” Evan Nappen is above all a tireless defender of justice. Author of eight bestselling books and countless articles on firearms, knives, and weapons history and the law, a certified Firearms Instructor, and avid weapons collector and historian with a vast collection that spans almost five decades — it’s no wonder he’s become the trusted, go-to expert for local, industry and national media outlets. Regularly called on by radio, television and online news media for his commentary and expertise on breaking news Evan has appeared countless shows including Fox News – Judge Jeanine, CNN – Lou Dobbs, Court TV, Real Talk on WOR, It’s Your Call with Lyn Doyle, Tom Gresham’s Gun Talk, and Cam & Company/NRA News. 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