Industrial Relations Without the Bull is a podcast hosted by Mark Diamond that explores Workplace Relations & Politics in Australia.
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The Work Goes On: An Oral History of Industrial Relations and Labor Economics with Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter
Industrial Relations Section, Princeton University
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Inside the world of Industrial Relations, Employee Relations and Labor Relations. Bringing you insight and knowledge through Interviews with key opinion formers from unions, business, policy makers, politicians and those who were in the room or had an ear at the door. Always wondered: What happened behind the scenes of a major workplace conflict? How you might approach a particular Industrial Relations or Employee Relations challenge in your own job? What is really going on in a current or r ...
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Harry Katz on his push for a more cooperative environment in labor-management relationships
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31:44Harry Katz, the Jack Sheinkman Professor of Collective Bargaining at Cornell University’s School of Industrial and Labor Relations, discusses his academic background, his studies of collective bargaining, his work with the United Auto Workers (UAW), and his ongoing thoughts on how to make labor negotiations more inclusive and cooperative.Read a tra…
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Henry Farber on his path from Teamster to one of the preeminent researchers of labor economics
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29:11Henry Farber, Hughes-Rogers Professor of Economics emeritus at Princeton University, discusses his early life growing up in an industrial, working-class town in New Jersey, his early interest in labor unions and his nearly fifty-year-long study of labor economics.Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/file…
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George Borjas on his journey from Cuba to Harvard and his work on the “hot” topic of immigration
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33:24George Borjas, the Robert W. Scrivner Professor of Economics and Social Policy at the Harvard Kennedy School, discusses his early life in Cuba, his experiences as an immigrant in the United States, his schooling at Columbia University, and his thoughts on the current immigration debate in the United States.Read a transcript of the podcast here: htt…
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Robert Moffitt on his “rewarding” career integrating economics, sociology and public policy
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33:41Robert Moffitt, the Krieger-Eisenhower Professor of Economics at Johns Hopkins University, discusses his early education, his interest in labor economics, applied microeconometrics, and welfare policy, and how his work has influenced major debates in public policy, especially the economics of low-income populations in the United States.Read a trans…
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Samuel Bowles on his deep interest in the causes of inequality & his work to transform economics
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36:55Samuel Bowles, Emeritus Professor of Economics at the University of Massachusetts and Research Professor and Director of the Behavioral Sciences Program at the Santa Fe Institute, discusses his deep-rooted interest in economic inequality and how his work has challenged many of the conventional assumptions of modern economic theory. Read a transcrip…
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Marjorie McElroy on a long academic career and navigating the economics profession as a woman
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25:15Marjorie McElroy, Professor of Economics at Duke University, joins the podcast to discuss her long and varied academic career, her research on the economics of marriage and the family, and, especially, the challenges and gender discrimination she faced as, at the time, one of the few female economists pursuing a traditionally male-dominated profess…
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Orley Ashenfelter on the “irresistible” pull of policy evaluation & why the IR Section is so special
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31:26For the 30th episode of "The Work Goes On", we flipped the script and asked our long-time host Orley Ashenfelter, the Joseph Douglas Green 1895 Professor of Economics, Emeritus at Princeton University and former director of Princeton’s Industrial Relations Section (IR Section), to start answering questions instead of asking them. Janet Currie, the …
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The Legal View - Monica Kurnatowska, Baker McKenzie
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28:51Episode 4 – Monica Kurnatowska, Partner with Baker McKenzie In this episode we hear from a very experienced, senior Lawyer who specialises in Employment Law and Collective Bargaining. Monica is part of the global employment team at international law firm Baker Mckenzie, based in London. Monica advises many large domestic and multi-national employer…
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Global Unions - What are they? Ron Oswald of the IUF
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33:08Many people, whether working in the IR Field, HR, Business, Policy or Legal, won't have ever heard of, let alone encounter, a Global Union. But they do exist, and they have a lot of influence. And there is a very good chance that the Union you deal with or belong to, regardless of geography, will be affiliated to a Global Union. In this Episode of …
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"Leadership is a contact sport" - Mike Clancy, Prospect
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36:54In this episode, we talk to Mike Clancy, General Secretary of major UK Trade Union, Prospect, which has over 157000 members. Mike talks us through his journey from growing up in Liverpool, taking a law degree, to becoming a major force in UK Industrial and Employee Relations. He also shares his views on what Labour’s new deal for working people sho…
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Ernst Stromsdorfer on studying vocational training in academia, government, and the private sector
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23:01Ernst Stromsdorfer, Emeritus Professor of Economics at Washington State University, joins the podcast to discuss his impressive body of research on the impact of labor market programs on different groups of people, and his wide-ranging career across academia, the private sector, and state and federal governments.Read a transcript of the podcast her…
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“My boss told me to fire someone for no reason, so I refused”, Tony McCarthy, Senior HR Leader
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32:14We talk to Tony McCarthy - former HR Director at British Airways, Royal Mail, BAE Systems about his career path, the IR experiences along the way and how he navigated some very complex, interesting situations in his early career, often having to rely purely on instinct and bravery. As we know, there is no "how to manual" when it comes to Industrial…
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David Lewin on employee voice in a capitalist economy and the re-emergence of unionization
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29:06David Lewin, the Neil Jacoby Emeritus Professor of Management and Human Resources at UCLA’s Anderson Graduate School of Management. joins the podcast to discuss what sparked his interest in unions and grievance procedures, the Federal Trade Commission's new plan to ban noncompete agreements, and why unionization will re-emerge in the U.S. south and…
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Robert Michael on collecting specialized data to inform public policy
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30:10Robert T. Michael, the Eliakim Hastings Moore Distinguished Service Professor Emeritus and Dean Emeritus at the University of Chicago Harris School of Public Policy, joins the podcast to discuss his path to the University of Chicago, why he loves teaching, and the challenges of collecting vital data on sensitive topics like human sexual behavior.Re…
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Barry Chiswick on immigration, the American Jewish experience, and how to measure discrimination
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29:08Barry Chiswick, Professor of Economics and International Affairs at George Washington University, joins the podcast to discuss his wealth of research on immigration and what he learned studying Jewish Americans in the labor market.Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2024-03/026-TWGO-Chiswick_trans…
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Robert Flanagan on boosting union membership and why orchestras struggle financially
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24:00Robert Flanagan, the Matsushita Professor of International Labor Economics and Policy Analysis Emeritus at Stanford’s Graduate School of Business, joins the podcast to discuss what he’s learned both studying and working for unions, how his time in a musician’s union inspired him to research financial difficulties in the performing arts, and more.Re…
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Bob Gregory on how polio changed his life–and inspired him as a student
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32:39Bob Gregory, Professor Emeritus at the Research School of Economics at Australian National University, joins the podcast to discuss how getting polio at fourteen years old affected his life trajectory, why he fell in love with economics, and his many contributions as a public servant.Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.e…
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Stephen Nickell on his journey from math teacher to the Bank of England’s Monetary Policy Committee
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38:45Sir Stephen John Nickell, Honorary Fellow of Nuffield College, Oxford, joins the podcast to discuss his many mentors at the London School of Economics, how an invite to meet Gordon Brown in Aspen helped put a labor economist on the Bank of England’s Monetary Policy Committee, and his lasting impact on the field of labor economics and economic polic…
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Robert Willis on jumping ship from trade to study fertility and demographics
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35:21Robert Willis, Professor of Economics Emeritus at the University of Michigan, joins the podcast to discuss his time as a seaman working the Washington State Ferries, his path to economics, and the origins of the Health and Retirement Study at the University of Michigan.Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/defaul…
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Robert Pollak on the “two career problem” and modeling the economics of the family
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28:49Robert Pollak, the Hernreich Distinguished Service Professor of Economics at the Washington University in St. Louis, joins the podcast to discuss his work modeling economic decisions and bargaining within families and how he and his wife, an English professor and American poetry scholar, navigated the “two career problem.”Read a transcript of the p…
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Bruno Contini on life under Mussolini and the Italian labor market today
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28:22Bruno Contini, Professor Emeritus of the University of Turin and Honorary Fellow of the Collegio Carlo Alberto, joins the podcast to discuss his childhood under fascism, his experience studying and teaching in the United States, and his expertise on Italian labor markets.Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/defa…
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Myra Strober on women, work, and feminist economics
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31:38Myra Strober, Professor Emerita at the School of Education at Stanford University, joins the podcast to discuss her path as a trailblazing female labor economist and the first president of the International Association for Feminist Economics.Read a transcript of the podcast: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2023-11/019-TWGO-Strober_…
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Ray Marshall on his path from an orphanage in Mississippi to U.S. Secretary of Labor
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49:47Ray Marshall, Professor of Economics emeritus and Rapoport Centennial chair in Economics and Public Affairs at the University of Texas at Austin, joins the podcast to discuss his childhood in a Mississippi orphanage, how the GI bill helped him become an economist, and his experience as Secretary of Labor in the Carter administration.Read a transcri…
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W. Craig Riddell on his Path from the Canadian Navy to Labor Economics
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36:42W. Craig Riddell, Professor Emeritus of Economics at the Vancouver School of Economics at the University of British Columbia, joins the podcast to discuss his early life in small-town Ontario, his brief stint in the Canadian Navy, and how he discovered a passion for labor economics.Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu…
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Thomas Kochan on the United Auto Workers strike and the need for a new social contract at work
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33:11Thomas Kochan, the George Maverick Bunker Professor Emeritus of Management at the Sloan School of Management at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, joins the podcast to discuss his life’s work studying unions, arbitrating labor disputes, and advocating for the restoration of a social contract that rewards the contributions of workers. Kochan…
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Bob Hall on his role in the Brookings Papers, the NBER Business Cycle Dating committee, and more
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26:45Bob Hall, the McNeil Joint Hoover Senior Fellow and Professor of Economics at Stanford University, joins the podcast to discuss how an interest in policy inspired him to study economics and his many contributions to applied economics.Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2023-09/015-TWGO-Hall_transc…
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Michael Piore on internal labor markets, immigration, innovation, and more
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28:05Michael Piore, the David W. Skinner Professor of Political Economy, Emeritus at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, joins the podcast to discuss his wide-ranging expertise across different areas of labor economics, including the function of internal labor markets, the labor market implications of immigration and migration, manufacturing and …
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Francine Blau and Lawrence Kahn on labor market inequalities and the future of the gender wage gap
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29:59Francine Blau and Lawrence Kahn, both of whom are professors of economics at Cornell University, join the podcast to discuss what inspired them to study economics, why they like working together, and the current state of gender inequities in the U.S. labor market.Read a transcript of this interview: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/…
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John Pencavel on growing up in London’s West End and his sympathy for workers and unions
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33:35John Pencavel, the Levin Professor of Economics, Emeritus at Stanford University, joins the podcast to talk about his early life in London’s West End, his most popular research, and his perspective on recent efforts to unionize workers at Amazon, Starbucks, and other companies in the U.S.Read a transcript of this interview: https://irs100.princeton…
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Reuben Gronau on his many contributions to Israeli economic policy
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29:38Reuben Gronau, Professor of Economics Emeritus at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, joins the podcast to talk about what inspired his interest in labor economics and his many contributions to Israeli economic policy.Read a transcript of this interview: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2023-04/011-TWGO-Gronau_transcript.pdf For mor…
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James Heckman on his early academic career and the work that makes him proud
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46:36James J. Heckman, Henry Schultz Distinguished Service Professor in Economics at the University of Chicago, joins the podcast to discuss graduate school at Princeton, why an often overlooked paper on the effect of civil rights laws is his favorite, and much more.Read a transcript of this interview: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/20…
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Daniel Hamermesh on the overhyped four-day work week and a lifetime of labor economics research
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34:24Daniel Hamermesh, the Sue Killam Professor of Economics Emeritus at the University of Texas at Austin, joins the podcast to talk to Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter about “the promise” of the four-day work week, how physical appearance affects compensation, and his lifetime of contributions to the field of labor economics.Read a transcript of this int…
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Frank Stafford on the origins of the Panel Study of Income Dynamics (PSID)
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32:12Frank Stafford, Professor of Economics Emeritus at the University of Michigan, joins the podcast to talk to Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter about the origins of the Panel Study of Income Dynamics (PSID) and his research on labor supply, income volatility, household finances, and more.Read a transcript of this interview: https://irs100.princeton.edu/s…
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Robert Solow on growing up in Brooklyn, fighting Nazis, and everything that came after
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41:05In a wide-ranging interview, Robert Solow joins the podcast to talk about the origins of his remarkable career, covering everything from his being “a child of the Great Depression” to leaving Harvard to fight in WWII to his time serving in President Kennedy’s Council of Economic Advisors.Read a transcript of this interview: https://irs100.princeton…
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Richard Freeman on the state of unions in the U.S., why few Americans pursue STEM degrees, and more.
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33:19Richard Freeman, who holds the Herbert Ascherman Chair in Economics at Harvard University, joins the podcast to talk to Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter about the early influences of Martin Segal and John Dunlap on his career, who pursues careers in STEM and why, and whether we can expect inequality at the bottom of the wage distribution, which shrunk…
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Robert McKersie on his lifelong study of labor negotiations and the state of unions today
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31:27Robert McKersie, Professor of Management Emeritus at MIT's Sloan School of Management, joins the podcast to talk to Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter about his path from being the son of an International Workers of the World (IWW) member in Paterson, NJ to becoming one of the leading global experts on labor negotiations.In this episode, McKersie and As…
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Claudia Goldin on her journey from the Bronx to Harvard–with groundbreaking research in between
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38:12Claudia Goldin, the Henry Lee Professor of Economics at Harvard University, joins the podcast to talk to Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter about growing up as an “inner city kid” in the Bronx, how her famous study on the impact of blind auditions at orchestras came to be, and her life’s work on “the single most important change in the labor force” for …
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Richard Layard on his life in public service and his pioneering research on happiness
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23:51Richard Layard, the founding director of the Centre for Economic Performance at the London School of Economics and co-director of the Centre’s Community Wellbeing Programme, joins the podcast to talk to Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter about his life in public service, his advocacy on behalf of the unemployed, and his pioneering research on happiness,…
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Labor Economics and the Economics of Higher Education: A Conversation with Ronald Ehrenberg
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34:09Ronald Ehrenberg, the Irving M. Ives Professor of Industrial and Labor Relations and Economics Emeritus at Cornell University’s ILR School, joins the podcast to talk with Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter about the twists and turns that led to his being on the faculty at Cornell–and why industrial relations economists make great university administrato…
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Gender Differences in Worker Pay: A Conversation with Ronald Oaxaca
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23:56Ronald Oaxaca, the McClellan Professor of Economics Emeritus at the University of Arizona, joins the podcast to talk about his research on gender wage gaps and using research to solve real-world problems. "The Work Goes On"—a podcast produced as Princeton's Industrial Relations Section (IR Section) celebrates its 100th anniversary—is an oral histor…
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Episode 5: Journey Without Maps
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17:34Mark Diamond discusses the impact of COVID-19 on the Australian economy, and Industrial Relations sector more specifically, and where things may go from here.
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Episode 4: Management Under The Gun (Guest: David Cilento)
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31:45Mark Diamond interviews David Cilento a high-level manager of over 260 staff in the concrete and quarrying industry. Mark and David discuss how the industry has changed over the last 20 years, particularly the relationship between workers, supervisors, management and unions.
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Episode 3: We're Watching You (Guest: Peter Leonard)
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27:04Mark Diamond interviews Peter Leonard, Australia's premier lawyer on data, privacy and all things digital. Peter discusses how data and emerging technology impacts society and the workplace, and what we can expect in the future.
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Episode 2: Ratbags, Rebels & Revolutionaries (Guest: Paul McAleer)
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30:43Mark Diamond interviews Paul McAleer, the Secretary of the MUA in Sydney. Paul talks about how life took him to becoming a union official and what concerns him about the future for working Australians.
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Episode 1: IR in Australia: The Irony of History
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10:25Mark Diamond presents a short history of industrial relations in Australia with a surprising story about how it all began.
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